Animal control is on its way...Update post 73...

[Boyd]

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I have a pit mix that can climb trees, unless it has square holes and his toes can fit in it, he can climb it. No fence is 100%... and unless you bury it 2-3 foot down its useless against a motivated dog. Fencing in property to make it dog proof would be 3 parts.. Bury the fencing 2-3 foot, top it with razor wire....... and electrify everything to 50,000 volts.

Bottom line is this.. Responsible owners keep track of their dogs 100% of the time.

I'm sorry if i have managed to offend people with my information about what we do here to keep dogs out. I was in no way implying that you should all race out and fence your yards if you don't want to just simply suggesting what we do here to keep dogs etc out. I realise that no fence can be 100% guaranteed to keep everything out but this is the best option I have found.

No offense taken. A good fence helps with good neighbors, but I was pointing out that dogs can always find a way if they have nutbrained owners

 

[citrusdreams]

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I have a pit mix that can climb trees, unless it has square holes and his toes can fit in it, he can climb it. No fence is 100%... and unless you bury it 2-3 foot down its useless against a motivated dog. Fencing in property to make it dog proof would be 3 parts.. Bury the fencing 2-3 foot, top it with razor wire....... and electrify everything to 50,000 volts.

Bottom line is this.. Responsible owners keep track of their dogs 100% of the time.

I'm sorry if i have managed to offend people with my information about what we do here to keep dogs out. I was in no way implying that you should all race out and fence your yards if you don't want to just simply suggesting what we do here to keep dogs etc out. I realise that no fence can be 100% guaranteed to keep everything out but this is the best option I have found.

And keep posting because it gives people ideas and is helpful!

It's a dream of mine to fence in ALL my property so I can graze and pasture everything together. However a lot of people don't have multiple acres and can benefit from fencing suggestions as it's more manageable with smaller properties. There have been a lot of posts with fencing questions.

 

[satay]

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I'm sorry if i have managed to offend people with my information about what we do here to keep dogs out. I was in no way implying that you should all race out and fence your yards if you don't want to just simply suggesting what we do here to keep dogs etc out. I realise that no fence can be 100% guaranteed to keep everything out but this is the best option I have found.

No offense taken. A good fence helps with good neighbors, but I was pointing out that dogs can always find a way if they have nutbrained owners

Thank you. You are so right about that. Some people should not be allowed to have animals.

 

[Camelot Farms]

Satay...More questions...

Is your fencing intended more for the neighbors dogs or do you have wild dogs that are also a problem. Please remember that all I know about Australia comes from the Animal Planet. *smile*

And, what do you keep 'in' with your fencing? Sheep?

 

[chickencoop31320]

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I couldn't agree more. People's pets (just like their children) reflect their personalities, that can be good or it can be bad.

I think a lot of it has to do with how passionate people feel about the treatment of animals, all animals. I really do. Sometimes we lose our tempers on this forum but we all share our love for animals. And I hope I never come across as rude, I really try not to. Sometimes it's hard to get your point across in finding a balance between polite and rude.

And during the time I've been on this forum, I've seen people retract what they've so passionately claimed to be the beginning and the end of morality, truth, and absolute right. It comes with experience. When someone gets to the point of experiencing devestating loses despite building Fort Knox, believe me, they'll come around

This is a particularly volatile part of the forum because it tugs on people's heart strings. I don't think anyone wants to see an animal suffer. What kind of person is that?

I think it HAS to be hard for a dog-lover to read about dogs being shot because of "blame" or "necessity" etc. And it has to be hard for them to contain that passion. They can't relate to the problems others have had for a long time. And until they get some of those experiences under their belt, it will be hard for them. Before I got livestock, it wouldn't occur to me to shoot a dog at all. It didn't occur to me that they could actually do the damage they can do.

For me, it's really hard to be told that I have to go the extra mile to protect other people's animals, especially when those others don't care about ther own. Of course they wouldn't mind if I spent $45,000+ on fencing to keep their dogs out. Why would they? Why should they incur the cost of fencing their dogs in when they could be roaming the country side with Bambi and Flower? I love my dogs to bits and spend a fortune on them to keep them safe and healthy, but I just can't afford to care for someone else's dogs. It's hard for me to see animals suffer. But on the flip side, I know when to throw in the towel and recognize trouble for what it is. It took a long time for me to pick up a gun, and it truly disturbs me when I do. I mean, I don't even have the guts to hunt. But protecting my family? that doesn't take much anymore.

So while people bicker on the forum, I really think it's because they care so much. You'll always have a troll here and there, and you can usually tell one right away, especially when they post stuff for the obvious purpose of antagonising other members, but for the most part, I just think people let their passion take over them. I'm glad they feel strongly about something.

Remember, some people don't care at all...and I think that's worse. Despite being occasionally frustrated by a kind of caustic post, I'd rather have that than someone who doesn't care at all.

I do care about my animals and I chose to fence my chickens, turkeys, and dogs IN and my neighbor's animals OUT.

Everyone has the right to fence or not to fence, I chose fence because I know what I can deal with. I just wish I had my whole property fenced in; right now it's just the front yard for the dogs and some of the back for the coops.
In the home where I live now, I have not had to shoot any dogs YET. We have about 10 of our wonderful neighbors dogs running the streets around here and they range in size from a toy poodle about 12 lbs. to a large hound mix about 100 lbs. (BTW the person who owns the 100 lbs. hound mix is a deputy sheriff... so much for knowing the laws, right? LOL). I have warned each neighbor in a very polite way that I have my animals contained and I'd hate to HAVE to do anything to protect them further.

When I was growing up, I had to shoot several dogs due to them running our cows and beating up on our smaller dogs WHO WERE TIED TO THEIR HOUSES. I didn't want to shoot these dogs; some of them belonged to my friend down the road. I practiced SSS even before I ever read it here. They were warned before further measures had to be taken; it wasn't a chore I took lightly. I love animals of all kinds, but when it comes to a question of my animal on my property or someone else's roaming "pet", I will choose mine every time.
BTW I wasn't quoting rufus to antagonize anyone; I thought he made a good point about the dogs being just like their owners.

I hope the OP situation gets resolved peacefully and there is no more loss of life on either side of the property line

 

[chickencoop31320]

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That's my dream too. I would love to be able to fence in more of my space!

 

[satay]

I personally use the fencing to keep my dog in as well as to keep horses out both neighbours have horses, it is also useful for keeping out dingoes. I have chickens,turkeys and ducks and it keeps them in too.
We have goannas(large lizard) and 7 out of the 8 deadliest snakes in the world in this part of Australia but nothing will really keep them out. We also have koalas and kangaroos but the fencing does not effect them which i like so they are free to come and go as they please. My fencing is only and 5ft high. People with large propertys get the same stuff but up to 8ft high to keep in deer and emus and goats etc.

 

[cmjust0]

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Our LGD is primarily inside hi-tensile, and he does just fine. He's never really even tested the wire, though I'm sure he got a taste of electric fencing where he came from. He actually seems to appreciate the fact that his space is defined by fences....gives him less to worry over. Fences provide a sense of security, which is a blessing for LGD-type dogs that are basically born to worry and fret over every little thing. If you got the right LGD, it would figure out where the fences are and -- depending on the breed -- would either herd up with its charges or patrol the perimeter.. It shouldn't leave, though.

If it left, I'd consider it a dog problem -- not a fence problem.

 

[cmjust0]

Also, FWIW, I've seen what happens when a dog decides to dig around a good electric fence. One of our BC's was digging really close to the bottom strand of our hi-tensile fence one day -- just digging at something, not trying to break in -- and she must have accidentally touched her nose to the wire while her feet were in that fresh, moist dirt.

She squalled like she'd been shot and took off like she'd been fired from a cannon. I can normally call this dog off anything...she's super obedient...but when I yelled to her, she just looked in my direction with this truly horrified look on her face and kept right on truckin.. She ran up on the porch and laid down, quivering.

That was the second time I've known her to get into the fence.. The first time, she got into some 17ga aluminum wire we had surrounding a plot of sweetcorn.. She squalled like a mashed monkey that time, too, and ran straight into the creek. I mean, straight into the creek.. Pretty sure she thought she was on fire...seriously.

A good electric fence, IMHO, is worth its weight in gold. We put up 6 strands of Hi-Tensile, with a strand every 9". That puts the bottom strand nice and low and the top strand exactly 4-1/2" off the ground. There's several miles of hotwire in total, but it's on a 50mi charger...plenty of capacity. From the bottom, our wires go hot/ground/hot/ground/ground/hot -- three hots, three grounds. And, yes, the ground wires are actually connected to our ground rods -- four 8' rods -- which are buried about 1/2mi from the charger at the mouth of a little draw about where the dirt stays moist pretty much year-round. The three ground wires are then connected back to the ground lug of the charger. That way, if you touch a hot wire and a ground wire at the same time, the circuit is completed and the shock delivered without the current having to flow through the earth. Helps a lot if the ground gets really dry.. It can flow through the earth if you don't touch a ground wire and hot wire at the same time by virtue of the ground rods being buried in the earth, though...it's quite versatile.

Our fence pegs a 5-light tester pretty easily at 5,500 volts.. I'd like to see how much it actually puts out, but I don't see the need to spend the $$ on a better tester just for bragging rights. 5,500 is plenty for almost anything -- even me!

 

[Camelot Farms]

I just wanted to congratulate us...we have 140 posts on this thread about Predators and Pests (And a DOG no less) and we managed to not get locked. I am pretty sure that is some sort of a record

Just thought it was worth mentioning