Answer to the Delaware Dilemma

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

Oh, very nice! Are these F1 or F2? Did you get sports in F1 hatch? If not, how did you choose which ones to breed?

 

[kathyinmo]

I clicked on reply and got a quote screen.....

Those are F2s. Get a "sport?" What do you mean? I got just what I expected. F1s were all barred. F2s were a variety.

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

Oh, ok. For some reason I was thinking in the documentation about the original creation of the breed, he was seeing the silver "sports" in the first generation. It would make more sense for them to show up F2.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Oh, ok. For some reason I was thinking in the documentation about the original creation of the breed, he was seeing the silver "sports" in the first generation. It would make more sense for them to show up F2.

Yes it is possible to get a "sport" on the the first crossing esp. when you consider that beings he(George Ellis) was a hatchery guy and the barred male may not have even been pure.

I have about 20 F1males out of a Production Red male over my (three generations removed from hatchery stock) Barred Rock girls which I call " production cuckoos" and about 3/4 of them are Delaware patterned males(non-typical) and the other 1/4 look exactly like BSL's(black-barred/red/straw leakage). Now I know this is just exactly backward from the cross
Ellis supposedly used I was just using it for example as to show that when using hatchery type stock there should/will be expected variables. All the females look just like BSLs from darn near solid black with little to no red leakage in their fronts to almost half golden/red fronts to black rears typical unpredictable color patterns for the females.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Yes it is possible to get a "sport" on the the first crossing esp. when you consider that beings he(George Ellis) was a hatchery guy and the barred male may not have even been pure.

I have about 20 F1males out of a Production Red male over my (three generations removed from hatchery stock) Barred Rock girls which I call "production cuckoos" and about 3/4 of them are Delaware patterned males(non-typical) and the other 1/4 look exactly like BSL's(black-barred/red/straw leakage). Now I know this is just exactly backward from the cross
Ellis supposedly used I was just using it for example as to show that when using hatchery type stock there should/will be expected variables. All the females look just like BSLs from darn near solid black with little to no red leakage in their fronts to almost half golden/red fronts to black rears typical unpredictable color patterns for the females.

Edited for spelling my fingers have a mind of their own sometimes (sheesh)

 

[catdaddyfro]

Haiku you can find Mrs. Kathys postings of the Del. projects in the SDWD thread if you want to go dig back aways there.

 

[xoxocammyxoxo]

73 pages and my brain hurts

A couple years ago or so I thought there was another thread that I had participated in which also talked about Delawares but I can't find it. So I'll just post here and hopefully get what I'm looking for.

There was a topic about a Delaware club. Was that every established and if so what is that contact information?

Although I would prefer to work with established breeders of Delawares, I've noticed a growth in the number of hatcheries carrying "Delawares". Is there anyone who has evidence these are actually Delawares? Out of curiousity really... I don't think I'm getting any birds from hatcheries anyway.

There was also the topic somewhere around page 20 or so about the project of breeding New Hampshires with Barred Rocks in the hopes of creating a new "strain" of Delawares. Was that project ever started? Has there been any success?

I actually have three possibly four runs available, empty and ready. Just trying to decide which way I want to go with this. The idea of having the challenge of breeding a new strain interests me greatly since I've had experience breeding pigeons as a childhood. I know not exactly the same thing but it's kinda the same thing (in a round about way). Since I have the space, I'm curious to see if anyone would be interested in seeing what comes of it.

PS. In the past like 10 pages I didn't see any posts from Walt (I believe that was his name). Where did he go?

 

[xoxocammyxoxo]

Update: I found the club information.

 

[finnfur]

In my continuing quest for Del info I have finished this thread- I will move on to the next one.
From what I have read the Kimnim line is going to be in high demand. Just my novice opinion .

 

[wekiva bird]

In my continuing quest for Del info I have finished this thread- I will move on to the next one.
From what I have read the Kimnim line is going to be in high demand. Just my novice opinion .

Thats a lot of reading. I did the same thing.