Any Paint People on here?

[ducks4you]

Haviris, I didn't know when I bought my cremollo (sp?cremello) that was foaled in 1982, that this was inherited, either, until he started kicking at shadows and kicked me in the head! THEN, I discovered this genetic abnormality. Too bad--I had dressaged him and he had fantastic collection (for a QH) plus he jumped well, too. HE went blind at age 7.
Knight Hawk Ranch, my 'Toma" looked a lot like your pic of your horse, just a little shorter legs, but he had the brown face mask with the big blaze and 2 huge brown spots, along with the tri-color ears.

 

[Haviris]

I'm guessing he was registered APHA?

So I've just been searching the internet and can't find anything about cremellos being prone to blindness, the only thing I could find about cremellos and blindness listed it as a myth that they are more prone to blindness.

 

[Knight Hawk Ranch]

I know that a lot of oletimers said that what are now known as cremellos had eyesite issues was due to the light colored eyes.

I know of several cremellos and none of them have problems and I am sure that just like any other color horse, some can develop a problem. Eye issues are not restricted to a particular 'color' of horse.

I still run into people who have no clue what a cremello is or that you can have a homozygous APHA horse and only get spotted foals from them.

I bred Arabians for a while and in particularly, black ones. I still come across adds that say 14 crosses to black. It doesn't matter how many black horses are in that pedigree or how far back they go. If the sire and dam are black but carry a red gene each, you can get a red foal. The horse has to be homozygous for black in order to only produce black.

My one black Arabian stallion came from an older breeder who advertised this way and before testing was developed, it was standard. My stud ended up carrying one red gene, even though he was blue black in color, came from a long line of black horses. He could still produce a red foal.

My whole point to this longwinded post is, unless there is a certified study with proven data behind it, it is not necessarily (sp?) true. Are there some horses that are affected by (insert whatever problem here)? Sure. Doesn't mean it applies to all of them (of that color, breed, whatever).

 

[ducks4you]

My Vet was doing a routine exam (where I stabled him), and caught an abnormaility. He took him inside to take a good look and spotted blindness. HE told me that this was genetic. I'm sure that doesn't mean that a high percentage go blind, but it was higher than would normally be expected. I won't buy another horse with that color. I had spent considerable training time on him. Did you read my last post--he went blind at 7. I was JUST watching Olympic show-jumping hopefuls the other day that were 6 years old. I don't discriminate against the color of a horse usually, but I am discriminating in this case, just like I am aware that white horses (with pink skin--not a grey) can sunburn easily and I've seen several greys who have gotten cancer because of their color. WE'VE bred these problems into horses. Mustangs with health problems die off, but we keep them and pay our Vets to nurse them.

 

[verthandi]

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The cremellos and genetic defects including blindness have been proven to be a wives tale. That was the reasoning used to keep them out of the AQHA registry in the past. Before AQHA decided to except them into the registry it was said that they were carrying many genetic mishaps. Interestingly enough, APHA said, bring those double dilute horses to our registry and we will allow them in our breeding program. Research brought them back into the registry that they belonged in. (plus it probably didn't hurt that APHA breeders were making some good money producing palominos, buckskins and other dilutes with the crosses that was made to them and AQHA didn't want to be left out.)

 

[Haviris]

I would not take genetic to mean the color, I would have taken it to mean he got it from his sire or dam. I've only had one cremello, she was a mustang, and no health problems in the time I owned her (from 3-9). Either way, Paints and QHs have always been my breeds, and color genetics are a favorite of mine.

I had a red and white calf born once that was blind, the vet said it was genetic, I didn't take that to mean red and white cows are more prone to blindness, I took it to mean his mom and/or dad carried it (both were black if that matters). We sold the cow, that was the third calf she'd had w/ issues (although the first one seemed more like bad luck, and the second one was her not the calf, but still).

There are colors that are more prone to things, grays are more prone to cancer, white faces are more prone to sunburn, and all this I can read about w/ a quick search. So far haven't found anything but lists of myths about cremellos and perlinos.

 

[aussieheelr]

I personally believe that cremellos are an eye-sore and with their fair skin they are more prone to skin cancer and eye problems due to the light pigment. We use to have a very fair red roan paint who had his face sun/wind burnt year round if he wouldn't keep his fly mask on and stay in the trees. We sold him for this reason alone.
As far as APHA and AQHA go... you don't ride papers, you ride the horse.

 

[Haviris]

Personally I like cremello, and as far as more eye and skin issues, I haven't found that to be true. I think it could be for some, but I think it varies, I've seen pics of cremellos that were always squinting, our girl didn't seem to have issues w/ the sun at all, no fly masks or sun screen, she didn't need it like a white horse would.

On the other hand I've had people tell me that they had paint(s) and sold them because they sunburned so bad they couldn't ride them (on their bodies), I've never had a paint or pinto burn anywhere but they're faces, and I've had the same problem w/ non pintos w/ alot of white on their faces (large blazes).

Seems there are still alot of myths about cremellos and perlinos, you either love them or hate them! But I've not ever heard any studies showing they have more health issues then any other color, all just a personal preference thing!

 

[Bantamlover23]

I have been extremely lucky with my bald face paint because I have never had a sunburn issue and I live in Florida. There is another paint at our barn that just has a blaze and he burns easily.

 

[texasgal]

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Is he just DROP DEAD gorgeous????

I love love love the eye liner!!

Beautiful.