Anybody Kill Any Deer Lateley?

[danischi24]

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What about meat chickens? Do you eat chicken?
You keep comparing your "here" to the US as justification. If you are correct (which in itself is debatable), then I guess hunting is probably not a good idea in your "here" the same way that it isn't a good idea in my "here". The only hunting we can do is animals that kill our livestock like wolves & jackals & animals that destroy our crops like wild boar, porcupine & crows. The laugh on that is that we can't eat pork which is the only edible animal of the lot. We do though after testing it for a certain nasty disease. Our deer are very rare. However, in the US "here", the meat that is affordable is horrifically raised, the well raised meat is very expensive & many states have very overloaded deer populations. I'm starting to wonder if you aren't just some animal rights nut who is trying to ruffle feathers. Booker is right too, it is usually & should be a one shot kill.

 

[RoeDylanda]

I have not hunted, having also grown up in a place where it's pretty rare, but I've been really struck by the thoughtfulness of those of you hunters who are posting here. The only hunter I knew growing up was a shoot-anything-that-moves scary guy. Here, over and over I'm seeing respect for the animal, awareness of the meaning of taking life, and good stewardship generally-- not wasting anything, concern for the populations, and gun safety.

Congratulations, and thank you-- I'm walking around with one less bias now. (And *man* those things are heavy!) Good luck, and stay warm!

 

[redstars]

Impis If you eat meat of any kind your argument is on deaf ears to most hunters. When you start eating just
veggies and roots come back and drive your point home. until then it ( your argument) holds absolutely no water its full of holes.
Have a nice day. Oh ya 2 more for sausage today.

 

[impis]

Hmmm, it seems that people are beginning to get agitated with me.

I'm sorry for that.

impis,
Please be respectful... OK? We are happy to share our inner feelings on the subject... But you must respect them..

I have been careful to be respectful all along, so don't quite understand this comment. Unless you mean that by disagreeing, i'm being disrespectful.

You keep comparing your "here" to the US as justification.

My 'here' is England - where we have very little 'wilderness' and precious few wild animals. We treasure what we have, in the main. True, hunting is allowed, in order to keep down the numbers of animals where there are no longer predators - like deer in the highlands of Scotland, for example. Mostly, deer are farmed here.

Does it make a difference that i'm from England? Maybe. We don't' have a gun culture. We have banned foxhunting and other blood sports as being cruel. I have not once said outright that what you are doing is wrong - merely questioned the motives of those who do it. Is it wrong to question? No - this is how we learn.

Coming from England, and with my background, how would I know that you are all superb marksmen who always make a kill with just one shot?????? [Which I don't actually believe, by the way]

And despite trying very hard to be respectful to your 'ways' , I do find it very hard to believe that someone thinks its ok to take a 3 year old hunting.. But that's just me ........ a silly, sentimental Brit. [who is also a teacher, by the way, and very aware of how such experiences can affect the young]​

 

[Organics North]

Disagreeing is not disrespectful..

Sorry if I worded that wrong.... (Just a touchy subject for me..)

Me personally would rather be shot on the run free in the wild, than raised in a pen and killed with a stun gun.. Raising your own livestock to feed your family, and taking wild game is part the American tradition of self sufficiency and independence.

Strange things are not allowed in foods here

Oh really?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Are you sure you may not want to rethink that remark???

Mad Cow Disease originated in the UK.. Yes? The practice of feeding cow and sheep to cow... No strange things allowed in your food... I see...

I would not take a 3 year old to the deer stand, because a child that age can not sit still long enough... (That is the only reason)... My 5 and 8 year old children know where their food comes from.) They see the process. The deer that hit my truck this fall, they watched me clean it under the headlights, my arms covered in blood to my elbows as I remove the offal's. Steam leaving the carcase as it cools quickly. They watch as we prepare the meat not wasting anything, thanking the animal for the nutrition it will provide our family they help wrap and put the meat in the freezer... (No I do not let them see the killing yet, not that they can not handle it, but for me.. It is something I need to focus on and not have distractions..)

Do I enjoy the process... NO.....However I enjoy the results and the satisfaction of knowing exactly where my food comes from and how it was treated alive as well as dead..

I am sorry your culture and upbringing is so far removed from where food comes from.. I would lay down my life to protect my freedom to grow and harvest my own food...


Feel free to ask any specific questions.... I will do my best to not get defensive..

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and no I have not killed any deer lately.....

I did not see a single one during un season.... Know only a few weeks of bow season left, and I am too busy to get out very much..This is the first time in decades this has happened...

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ON​

 

[Boyd]

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1 bullet, or 1 arrow. If you practice, and you empathize with the animals you harvest. They have lived a better life than their mystery meat companions you buy for 1.89lb from wal-mart.

Personally, I hunt to fill the freezer. If I have taken a doe or two first, then I am hunting bucks rest of season.. I take a buck first, then I am hunting does. Now you may think having a gun gives us a great advantage... the click of taking the gun off safety is enough to make a deer run from 100 yards away... then you always have to worry how the wind is blowing because their sense of smell is awesome.. Only thing we have on them is vision....

They seem to be like the T-Rex from Jurassic park. If you hold still, and have something to break up your shape... as long as the can't smell you or hear you, you aren't there. But to put yourself in a situation where you have 1 shot 1 kill.... I pass up more deer than I harvest. The shot wasn't a sure thing, or the moment was too pretty.

I watched a buck come in for almost 45 minutes. He was a wary old cuss with what looked to be a trophy rack. As I'm watching him and trying to slowly shift into a shooting position (archery season) I hear something snap over m right shoulder... A doe and her fawn.. They didn't hesitate and went up to the buck, nose to nose and then went on. The fawn kinda pranced around like it was saying weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I forgot I had all 3 dead to rights and had been in position. That day I wanted my camera not my gun.

 

[Boyd]

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I think that's the difference... Its england.. the country is about the size of one of our states. Our land is vast and varies greatly, folks here speak many many many different languages, worship many different ways, and has been a huge melting pot since we fought for our independence from england (started with a tea party).

We used to have herds of buffalo that would take a hole day to cross a river..... thats how many they were. Land in the USA is available, and in some areas inexpensive. I have a house on 5 acres that I got for around 35,000 American Dollars... So honestly, its hard to compare your situation with mine. Me? I walk out in my backyard with my cammo on, a backpack, a compass and if I want to try to harvest something, my bow. Often times I am picking raspberries, blueberries, crab apples, lillypad roots and cattails.... and then I have a huge garden.. Plus about 30 rabbits hutched to provide meat and manure to keep me going.

 

[Telamon]

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[Turkeyrangler]

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Hi Impis,

I was busy for a lot of the day and had no time to get back to you on this subject. Went and did some Christmas shopping and a little hunting as well. I didn't see a thing hunting tonight. I guess that's why it's "hunting" and not "killing."

First off I don't find you awful in having this debate. Just so you know. Hunting is considered a privilege to be taken most seriously with most everyone I know. About the "What if there were no deer around to shoot. How would you feed your need then?" comment. It's rather a mute point since this has never been the case here or for most of our existence. If there was nothing to hunt here I would have never taken up hunting in the first place. Hunters are not sociopaths as many have been led to believe. Nor are we drunks, redneck illiterate inbreds. BTW...I am not making any slam on anyone who considers themselves a redneck. I'm a redneck as well, just not what the media would perceive us to be. I am a very proud, educated, and literate person with lots of branches in my family tree thank you, but I do live a rural life, have a wood stove, keep livestock, keep a garden and supplement my food with what I take from my land. Guess that makes me a redneck. Oh well.

I guess I didn't make my point clear enough in my earlier post. For that I apologize. I never said I didn't like it. I enjoy the hunt immensely (that's the part that feeds my soul). Killing is only a small part of it and takes but a split second, but it seems to be the part that people focus on and with good reason. Again, it is a huge responsibility and one I take very seriously. In all actuality you would need to spend a week with me hunting to really understand why I do what I do. Even then I don't expect you to agree with me, but you may then have a better understanding of why I do what I do. We live in very different worlds you and I. I've been to England and it was a far cry from my home. Seemed to be people stacked on top of people from my point of view. Very little of the natural world exists there any more. Even the the so called natural areas were what I would call tame by comparison to even urban parks here. I understand why you are unable to connect with us stateside that hunting as a matter of course. I have 33 acres behind my house that I hunt each year when the animals are in season. Very few short of the wealthy have that where you live. I have access about 3 million acres of public land just north of where I live that is still true wilderness. This is not the norm in the eastern US, but it is in my area. I am free to roam any of it as I please. I treat that as a privilege as well. .

As far as guns goes. If people can't kill themselves they will use whatever means available to them, Whatever is needed to leave this life...so very sad no matter how it happens. Guns are of no consequence except that it may make it more efficient. I wish I had a better answer to the why than the how. As we have seen in many nations that have banned guns or made an attempt to ban them. People wanting to kill others will still kill no matter what. Genocide was committed in central Africa not that long ago with nothing more than machetes. Many thousands died a very horrific and extended death that way. Guns are not problem, ignorant controlling people are the problem. nough said.

 

[write2caroline]

hit one with my suburban - but I don't think it counts does it? The sherriff put it on his hood and drove off with it! I think he scored my buck!
LOL


I have to say I believe that most hunters I know are very much concerned for the health of the prey and want to preserve our natural resources and wilderness. I can remember a measure to diaper deer in California by some really crazy people that actually made the ballot. They felt deer droppings were hazardous to the environment. (late 70's early 80's) There is a place near San Francisco - Angel Island where the animals were protected and grew so abundant that diseases set in and because there were no natural predators on Angel Island to thin the deer herds - the deer were dying out. They actually had to bring more deer in rather than thinning the herds by allowing hunting or introducing some wolves maybe. I think that hunting is good for our natural resources and environment - yes their will always be the People who enjoy the kill and are thoughtless but overall, hunting provides food, and safes animals from disease in an ever decreasing habitat. It is a win win
And that is my humble opinion
Caroline