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Its not worth it.
Anybody lose their unemployment yesterday?
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When people speak of "American Companies" or "US Corporations," I hope they realize that most are stock companies and just because they are headquartered here or had their origins here does not mean they are US owned. Jobs go overseas because ownership goes overseas. The product looks the same, and it has an American sounding name, but it is made abroad.
Those jobs are never going to come back; they are gone forever. Waiting to be called back is pointless. Just because one was making a good living at one time does not mean that they will in the future.
Given the current anti business attitude of the powers that be, things will be getting a lot worse before they get better if they ever do get better.
We need to end the class warfare and re industrialize our nation. We need to build capital and put our own people back to work. If everything for sale in the stores is made in China, what are the people of this country to do for a living? Are they going to be on unemployment, food stamps and welfare forever? That is not possible; someone has to work and pay taxes.
We need to stop punishing people for working hard. We need to encourage saving and investment. We need to end the income tax and rely on tariffs to support our government.
Don't buy imported goods. It is better to buy something in the second hand store than to buy something new that is made in China.
We need to convert our automobiles to run on natural gas which is plentiful in the US and not pay through the nose for imported oil.
Rufus
Those jobs are never going to come back; they are gone forever. Waiting to be called back is pointless. Just because one was making a good living at one time does not mean that they will in the future.
Given the current anti business attitude of the powers that be, things will be getting a lot worse before they get better if they ever do get better.
We need to end the class warfare and re industrialize our nation. We need to build capital and put our own people back to work. If everything for sale in the stores is made in China, what are the people of this country to do for a living? Are they going to be on unemployment, food stamps and welfare forever? That is not possible; someone has to work and pay taxes.
We need to stop punishing people for working hard. We need to encourage saving and investment. We need to end the income tax and rely on tariffs to support our government.
Don't buy imported goods. It is better to buy something in the second hand store than to buy something new that is made in China.
We need to convert our automobiles to run on natural gas which is plentiful in the US and not pay through the nose for imported oil.
Rufus
Rufus, I think some are referring to the overseas call centres and factories that produce cheap goods for foreign companies, American or otherwise.
The remedies that you suggest are very reasonable but I can't see them working. We buy cheap Asian goods because of the price. Most people are on a tight budget and welcome the savings. Buyers don't consider the impact that has on their own county's economy. If we want the equivalent home produced goods to be cheap, then people must work for the same wages as Asians and accept the same poor welfare and living conditions.
I'm not aware of any anti-business feeling in your government but I would say that, in any case, it's working people that need the support rather than businesses, with the exception of small businesses, perhaps.
I certainly agree that the class divide needs attention. Some things that I read leave me gobsmacked.
Industry in most Western countries is finished for good unless people are willing to work for much less income and I don't see how that is possible. Germany is an exception. Germans are good engineers, have always produced quality and still have the benefit of post ware refitting of their factories.
The remedies that you suggest are very reasonable but I can't see them working. We buy cheap Asian goods because of the price. Most people are on a tight budget and welcome the savings. Buyers don't consider the impact that has on their own county's economy. If we want the equivalent home produced goods to be cheap, then people must work for the same wages as Asians and accept the same poor welfare and living conditions.
I'm not aware of any anti-business feeling in your government but I would say that, in any case, it's working people that need the support rather than businesses, with the exception of small businesses, perhaps.
I certainly agree that the class divide needs attention. Some things that I read leave me gobsmacked.
Industry in most Western countries is finished for good unless people are willing to work for much less income and I don't see how that is possible. Germany is an exception. Germans are good engineers, have always produced quality and still have the benefit of post ware refitting of their factories.
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I agree with most of what you say here with one exception - we cannot put tariffs into place as our primary means of income. The more we tariff other countries the more they will tariff us. Much of this currency war started due to protectionism in other countries that we forced to accept our goods. Now the shoe is on the other foot and we are reaping what we sowed.
"Anti-business" has to be one of the most over-used misunderstood word right now (with perhaps the exception of the word socialism) People keep conflating the small businesses of 100 or fewer people who are the backbone of our economy with mega corps that have become global parasites with no national boundaries or loyalties whatsoever.
The mega corps are spending HUGE money trying to convince people that anything that helps the middle class or protects workers is anti-business. Henry Ford proved this wrong (and he was a bigoted SOB) He knew that workers who cannot afford his products cannot become customers. The other business owners hated him at first because he paid "too much".
The guy you want to hate is not Ronald Reagan its Milton Friedman. He won the dynamite economics award by economists for doing the most damage to our economy yet he IS STILL TAUGHT. He held a strict version of neo-liberal economics that was social darwinism at its worst. He is the progenitor of trickle down economics. Reagan was not bright enough to design economic systems.
I agree with most of what you say here with one exception - we cannot put tariffs into place as our primary means of income. The more we tariff other countries the more they will tariff us. Much of this currency war started due to protectionism in other countries that we forced to accept our goods. Now the shoe is on the other foot and we are reaping what we sowed.
"Anti-business" has to be one of the most over-used misunderstood word right now (with perhaps the exception of the word socialism) People keep conflating the small businesses of 100 or fewer people who are the backbone of our economy with mega corps that have become global parasites with no national boundaries or loyalties whatsoever.
The mega corps are spending HUGE money trying to convince people that anything that helps the middle class or protects workers is anti-business. Henry Ford proved this wrong (and he was a bigoted SOB) He knew that workers who cannot afford his products cannot become customers. The other business owners hated him at first because he paid "too much".
The guy you want to hate is not Ronald Reagan its Milton Friedman. He won the dynamite economics award by economists for doing the most damage to our economy yet he IS STILL TAUGHT. He held a strict version of neo-liberal economics that was social darwinism at its worst. He is the progenitor of trickle down economics. Reagan was not bright enough to design economic systems.
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The problem is Americans and maybe even human nature, in general....I made up a story, called "The five dollar hammer" for customers who want to do things, on the cheap....It's about the man who has a box full of broken hammers in his shop, because he only saw the need for the immediate use...He just couldn't bring himself to come off of $25 for one hammer, which would last him a lifetime....It made him feel good, to think he was getting a deal, by buying the cheapest hammer on the rack.
Well, that attitude is what has caused the proliferation of the big box store, which tells you that bone and white are the only colors you can get, in a set of dishes......Until we are going to stand by our words, that we refuse to buy anything made in China, and it would only take about a six month boycott, we will never get jobs back into America.
The problem is Americans and maybe even human nature, in general....I made up a story, called "The five dollar hammer" for customers who want to do things, on the cheap....It's about the man who has a box full of broken hammers in his shop, because he only saw the need for the immediate use...He just couldn't bring himself to come off of $25 for one hammer, which would last him a lifetime....It made him feel good, to think he was getting a deal, by buying the cheapest hammer on the rack.
Well, that attitude is what has caused the proliferation of the big box store, which tells you that bone and white are the only colors you can get, in a set of dishes......Until we are going to stand by our words, that we refuse to buy anything made in China, and it would only take about a six month boycott, we will never get jobs back into America.
For those who live in maine ,conn,ma,vermont ,new hampshire,ma,RI
A new job was bid on and won by local 104 IBEW, 1/3 of the work from a $1.4 billion job.Apprentices will be needed, If you don't mind heights or the idea of working with electricity this may be the opportunity for you. They train you on the job. Starting pay is around $23 an hr.My husband and his brother train the apprentices on weekends.not every weekend
This may not be for everyone but it may interest someone
http://www.neat1968.org/
For those of you in eastern central part of the country this is the IBEW apprenticeship training
http://www.njatc.org
A new job was bid on and won by local 104 IBEW, 1/3 of the work from a $1.4 billion job.Apprentices will be needed, If you don't mind heights or the idea of working with electricity this may be the opportunity for you. They train you on the job. Starting pay is around $23 an hr.My husband and his brother train the apprentices on weekends.not every weekend
This may not be for everyone but it may interest someone
http://www.neat1968.org/
For those of you in eastern central part of the country this is the IBEW apprenticeship training
http://www.njatc.org
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I agree with most of what you say here with one exception - we cannot put tariffs into place as our primary means of income. The more we tariff other countries the more they will tariff us. Much of this currency war started due to protectionism in other countries that we forced to accept our goods. Now the shoe is on the other foot and we are reaping what we sowed.
"Anti-business" has to be one of the most over-used misunderstood word right now (with perhaps the exception of the word socialism) People keep conflating the small businesses of 100 or fewer people who are the backbone of our economy with mega corps that have become global parasites with no national boundaries or loyalties whatsoever.
The mega corps are spending HUGE money trying to convince people that anything that helps the middle class or protects workers is anti-business. Henry Ford proved this wrong (and he was a bigoted SOB) He knew that workers who cannot afford his products cannot become customers. The other business owners hated him at first because he paid "too much".
The guy you want to hate is not Ronald Reagan its Milton Friedman. He won the dynamite economics award by economists for doing the most damage to our economy yet he IS STILL TAUGHT. He held a strict version of neo-liberal economics that was social darwinism at its worst. He is the progenitor of trickle down economics. Reagan was not bright enough to design economic systems.
I agree with everything. I like your term mega corporations. Just using corporations as I have done is wrong.
Ronald Reagan was a true figurehead much as George Bush was. Much like one of those dolls a ventriloquist uses. The big difference was that he was an actor by trade and could remember what he was told to say. Bush on the other hand required 6 years of training before he could deliver a comprehend able message. I only blame Reagan for doing such a good job of convincing some Americans that trickle down economics was anything more than a warm flow of you know what.
Those Mega Corporations are doing a fantastic job. They just got a bunch of their lap dogs in place so they can soak up an even bigger piece of the pie. The whole TP movement was financed by a Mega Millionaire that wants more money going his way. The level of manipulation is scary. It is a very well coordinated effort. I hope there are some people in the movement besides the supporters that have good intentions.
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I agree with most of what you say here with one exception - we cannot put tariffs into place as our primary means of income. The more we tariff other countries the more they will tariff us. Much of this currency war started due to protectionism in other countries that we forced to accept our goods. Now the shoe is on the other foot and we are reaping what we sowed.
"Anti-business" has to be one of the most over-used misunderstood word right now (with perhaps the exception of the word socialism) People keep conflating the small businesses of 100 or fewer people who are the backbone of our economy with mega corps that have become global parasites with no national boundaries or loyalties whatsoever.
The mega corps are spending HUGE money trying to convince people that anything that helps the middle class or protects workers is anti-business. Henry Ford proved this wrong (and he was a bigoted SOB) He knew that workers who cannot afford his products cannot become customers. The other business owners hated him at first because he paid "too much".
The guy you want to hate is not Ronald Reagan its Milton Friedman. He won the dynamite economics award by economists for doing the most damage to our economy yet he IS STILL TAUGHT. He held a strict version of neo-liberal economics that was social darwinism at its worst. He is the progenitor of trickle down economics. Reagan was not bright enough to design economic systems.
I agree with everything. I like your term mega corporations. Just using corporations as I have done is wrong.
Ronald Reagan was a true figurehead much as George Bush was. Much like one of those dolls a ventriloquist uses. The big difference was that he was an actor by trade and could remember what he was told to say. Bush on the other hand required 6 years of training before he could deliver a comprehend able message. I only blame Reagan for doing such a good job of convincing some Americans that trickle down economics was anything more than a warm flow of you know what.
Those Mega Corporations are doing a fantastic job. They just got a bunch of their lap dogs in place so they can soak up an even bigger piece of the pie. The whole TP movement was financed by a Mega Millionaire that wants more money going his way. The level of manipulation is scary. It is a very well coordinated effort. I hope there are some people in the movement besides the supporters that have good intentions.
Yeah, the citizen's United ruling was pretty much the death knell for democracy in this country. And I truly mean that. We have had our problems in the past - the civil war and the 60s come to mind, but in each case there was a free people who could speak their minds.
Now the golden rule is in effect - he who has the gold - rules. They know so much about how to manipulate people now. Edward Bernays is the progenitor of the modern advertising industry. (They called it propaganda before Hitler made that a bad word) Now they study is in minutia, including key stroke catchers on the internet, until they know us better than we know ourselves and think that they can make better decisions for us than we can so they convince us of what they want us to know. Make us feel what they want us to feel.
In decades gone by this was done as well - WWII was huge on this one. But, then nationalism generally made it so that most people were aiming at what was best for the country (at least in their opinion) now they simply do not care. One country is the same as another.
Now the golden rule is in effect - he who has the gold - rules. They know so much about how to manipulate people now. Edward Bernays is the progenitor of the modern advertising industry. (They called it propaganda before Hitler made that a bad word) Now they study is in minutia, including key stroke catchers on the internet, until they know us better than we know ourselves and think that they can make better decisions for us than we can so they convince us of what they want us to know. Make us feel what they want us to feel.
In decades gone by this was done as well - WWII was huge on this one. But, then nationalism generally made it so that most people were aiming at what was best for the country (at least in their opinion) now they simply do not care. One country is the same as another.
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