Anybody who has Ameraucanas...

[halo]

Its like if you breed a blue orpington to a buff orpington, for example. Theoretically, the results are orpingtons, but the color doesnt conform to the standard. You can't breed those chicks to anything to get chicks that will conform to the standard.

 

[sugarbush]

What I want to know is WHO DIED AND MADE APA THE FINAL WORD ON WHAT CAN BE CALLED ARACAUNA OR AMERACUANA?

I enjoy that the hatcheries refuse to call the birds they have EEs. I also like that if I go to a poultry swap that everybody will comment on what nice Aracaunas I have.

Breeders: it is a lost cause, save yourself some stress and get over it...

 

[klf73]

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See, that makes no sense to me.

All are "pure bred" Ameraucanas, but if you x one strain of purebred Ameraucana with another purebred strain of Ameraucana, you get an Easter Egger. Go figure.

it's because they need to breed true. I am sure if you did that cross for years and developed a new color/pattern they could then be called ameraucana?

 

[klf73]

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I think it's hard to just get over it. For me the hardest is when someone calls them araucana. araucana are tufted/rumpless, strangest thing I ever saw when I first saw them (imo), those funny bunches of feathers off the side of their heads and no tail. Just had to have some

. the ameraucana standard calls for blue eggs, and I have seen so many people be bummed because their *ameraucana* lays brown

 

[Donnadzitall]

Americana Americauna ...I just did a test...totally out of curiosity, I noticed the last time I posted because I wanted to be one to spell it correctly, I spelled it Americana in my post because spell check didn't recognize Ameraucana as proper spelling. Even right now it is showing that it needs to be retyped. Yet, Americana doesn't. Maybe we can get that corrected through the website? I really try to spell properly always, (I'm a scrabble nut) I also do not hear as good as others so I am always looking for the right spelling to make up for the difference...lol..picky? Yah...but it's just me. I'm definitely not making fun of anyone who does or doesn't spell it right...it is a personal choice for me....so here are the ones that do not show up as proper spelling when composing:
Americauna
Ameraucana
but:
Americana shows up as one that doesn't need correcting.

While on the subject of Ameraucanas...I was just at Del's in Monroe WA and yep they are selling them as Ameraucanas and not EE's. Me being a newbie in the chicken world as far as breeds and what not, wouldn't know till I got on someplace like here that I didn't get true ones. If that is what I was really looking for...I would be upset that they aren't. So I totally get why people who know the difference. Kind of like: (strange but great WA comparison) Is it taster's choice coffee or is it starbucks? Well if I'm paying for starbucks, it better darn well be starbucks!!! But..coffee is coffee right? NOT~
Ok enough rambling for me...I got up...looked at the clock this am going OMIGOSH!! It's 5 am...daycare! Grabbed my clothes ran down the stairs skidded at the bathroom door and went "It's Saturday" GRRRRRR....So....I came here instead!

Have a good weekend everyone! I'm gonna go get my "coffee" now!

 

[sugarbush]

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Only because APA says so. For example: here is the british standards. http://www.araucana.org.uk/breed_standards.html They recognize tailed and rumpless versions....Does that mean their birds are not pure araucana? No, it just means that they have different breed standards.

The bottom line is that what the hatchery sells as araucana/ameraucana are pure breed araucana, just not by APA standards.

I will add one more point. If I sell a lump of lead as a lump of gold and the new owner has it tested and finds out that I missrepresented what I sold them I can be sued. The same goes for livestock.... you think if the hatcheries where not selling pure breeds somebody would have sued them to make them stop missrepresenting them.....of course they would have.

 

[klf73]

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Only because APA says so. For example: here is the british standards. http://www.araucana.org.uk/breed_standards.html They recognize tailed and rumpless versions....Does that mean their birds are not pure araucana? No, it just means that they have different breed standards.

The bottom line is that what the hatchery sells as araucana/ameraucana are pure breed araucana, just not by APA standards.

if you have a tail araucana it is not considered *not* an araucana, just can't be exhibited....
nothing the hatcheries sell under those names is pure...
and they are definitely NOT araucana, they have muffs/beard similar to ameraucana, but not tufted like an araucana. I don't care who's standard.......if you ever get yours hands on them it is easy to see the difference. I don't take much stock in what the hatcheries have. I have seen too many other breeds they have with incorrect leg color etc.....

eta-here is a pic on an araucana, the hatcheries DON'T have these

 

[B. Saffles Farms]

Ive come up with a solution.

Change the spelling to Americanas, and everyone would be much more happy. IMO Americana breeders are more worried about people spelling the name of the breed right than actually educating people on the differences and the breed.

I have seen many posts on here with people asking questions trying to learn about the breed, and 99.9% of the breeders tell them go to the Ameraucana website (whatever it is). Thats basically all the info they know how or want to give to people trying to learn. If breeders are trying to educate people about thier breed at least take the time to answer peoples questions to the best of your ability. Dont just say go to the website.

I know alot of questions are repeat questions, but if you dont want to educate people on your breed then just dont reply. I have answered the same questions 100 times on breeds I have, and I am always glad to help any one any way I can. ( But I quess I could just give them a website to go to and it wouldnt take near as much as my time).

Im not pointing out anyone on here, its just my opinion and everybody has one, Im just saying, if you really are trying to educate people one your breed, dont worry so much about the spelling and try to teach people what they need to know so they can learn and know the difference in an Ameraucana, Aruacana(sp), Americana

and an EE. I always take this approach, I talk and try to help anyone I can whenever I can, because I was learning once and asked alot of questions, and most people where gracious enough to help me out.

Picture your self asking thier questions and how you would want some one to answer them. To people in the know about certain breeds, others questions about that breed can be questions that sound dumb, but try to take the time to help and explain to them so they can understand and possibly help others because you helped them. Whew, I guess Im done now.

 

[Mahonri]

Well, I'm going to stick with Blues, Blue Wheatens and Wheatens and I'll only breed with Blue and Blue Wheaten roos. We'll see what I end up with in a few years.

I can see it now. "Mahonri Ameraucanas."

 

[klf73]

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there was a sticky at the top of the breeds forum that was great, had descriptions of all 3....but as most of these posts it has gotten too argumentative and unfortunately no longer a sticky

I get pm's frequently for help with ameraucana questions....