Anyone Owning A Friesian Please Help Help Help!!!!PICTURES ADDED!!!!

[Chicken Fruit]

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I guess thats what really makes me want to forget it all. I want to further the dream, and make these animals available to normal people, but how can I deal with people like this- I mean if this is the nature of the industry you can just forget it. Not that its overly surprising, ive run into so many insane horse people over the course of my life, some nearly killing me, and this one taking me for a "ride" its just not right. I swear its like every where I turn the bulk of humanity is just selfish and hateful, what an unpleasant wakeup call, I thought I could find solace in this facet of life.

Anyone else for moving into the mountains and forgetting civilization all together? lol.

 

[DiVon80]

I had read your thread in the past seeing how excited you were about your baby, I am so sorry for you!

People are so mean and selfish. Get this baby, save it from these people and use this as a big education. Education is something we all have to pay for. Once this baby is in your posession I would expose this person to the fullest. These types are in all things. I am a long time dog person(Rotties and GSD) SAD! Just get the baby where she will be safe.

 

[BlackBart]

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I did but there are bumholes everywhere.
Regroup and fight. Information is your best weapon.

The Morgan owners who paid a arm and a leg for their papered up the ying yang Morgan, because the foal was from a fantastic award winning Morgan stallion, when the scandel broke, they had their horses papers withdrawn, not registerable, EVER. Turns out the fantastic stallion was part Saddlebred.

That left a huge trickle effect for years.
Now that would hurt. Thank god for DNA.

 

[Chicken Fruit]

Do any of your horsey people know how I might get word out to other prospective buyers about this breeder? Maybe a site that has breeder reviews or something like that? I dont want to defame anyone's character, but i just feel so obligated to warn others if possible...

 

[Rusty Hills Farm]

I gotta admit I've been a little slow on the uptake here. But I've read all the posts and I finally had that lightbulb moment! The breed association has not received the birth notice because she never sent it. She is insisting that YOU do the DNA testing and microchipping so that later, when the sh-t hits the fan, she can claim that YOU are the one trying to pull a fast one. She will likely claim that she sold you a grade foal and you are trying to claim otherwise OR she will claim the foal you are trying to register is NOT the foal she sold you.

But neither of these scenarios will work if the foal is DNA tested and microchipped BEFORE it leaves her farm. So she will likely not allow that to happen without a fight because she is looking for plausible deniability.

FWIW I have bought foals off big-name farms and once I have paid my money, I own that foal and can call whatever vet I choose and have him do whatever I want to that foal. The farm may charge me a fee to assist the vet, but they have never tried to not allow me to do whatever I want with a foal I have already paid for. I have had farriers come trim for me, vets do physicals, trainers come evaluate the foal. Once I even had an equine dentist do a farm call for me because the foal was having tooth eruption problems.

My point is that if you want the foal DNA tested, microchipped, and a health certificate and a coggins drawn so you can ship him, then call the local equine vet and make the arrangements. All the breeder can do is say no. At which point you say that since the foal is yours, the breeder can either return your money or step aside and allow the vet to do the job you are paying him to do. Then go ahead and arrange to get him shipped. You paid for him and if you don't collect him, she'll just sell him all over again and probably in just the same way. At least if you have him, she won't be scamming someone else with him and lining her own pockets twice.

Bottom line here is that it is VERY unlikely you are getting the foal you bought BUT he/she can STILL be a great riding horse, just not likely a registered one.

You have my sympathies.


Rusty

 

[patandchickens]

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Unless you have definitely decided to walk away now and call it a loss, don't do anything like that now. (!!!!!) Wait until you HAVE THE HORSE IN HAND (supposing that's what you decide you want) and there is NOTHING ELSE YOU WANT THE SELLER TO DO.

Then you can spread the word, being careful to say nothing not backed up by documentable facts.

Don't rock the boat now, when you are still trying to make a deal.

BTW, if you are undecided whether you would want the foal, not because you care so much about parentage or registerabilty but because you don't want to undertake expenses for something that might turn out to be poor quality, unsound, unsuitable or just plain not friesian... it might be worth biting the bullet and taking a coupla days off work and going out there yourself. *see* the foal, decide whether you still want it, in terms of condition and conformation and what-all.

If you do, you can be there when a vet draws blood and chips the horse (if you explain the circumstances in your call, you should be able to get it done same or next day), and you can *right then and there* hire a local hauler to take the foal to another barn so that you can be pretty sure that when a commercial transporter picks him up, he will most likely be the same foal he was when you saw him, if you know what I mean. (Because you are unlikely to be able to read the horse's microchip before he comes off the delivery van and refuse delivery at that moment, there would be a certain advantage to short-circuiting any shenanigans of that nature)

Good luck,

Pat

 

[Chicken Fruit]

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I have considered just calling out someone to do the stupid DNA and chip myself, the only problem is that I have a deadline for the pick up (on my other threads I explained how everything fell through with the purchase of the family farm, dad skipped on me for shipping and I am in limbo, pregnant, and my hubby is losing hours- thus we cant at the moment afford a transporter, but some friends without us asking came to our rescue! Cant ask them to just change the date last minute) and PLUS because FHANA doesnt issue the chip without the breeder first sending in the birth announcement- so I cant get the chip. I can beg the sire's owners for it, but that can be a process according to FHANA.

I could have a vet out at any time, and one has been out before- its just that she hasnt upheld the contract and sent me the records.

whywhywhywhywhy? *sigh* I so wish that for about 8 hours i wasnt pregnant. I could use a drink. I think instead it might be hot tea time. Thats relaxing! tea and honey anyone?

WHAT a headache! I just want it to be over.

 

[farrier!]

 

[redhen]

I dont know anything about all this horse business..but i'm thinkng that if she wont let you back out of the contract..take the horse and get it DNA tested yourself..if the tests come back she sold you a not pure horse..then take her to court..and i'm sure you'll win..(getting the money is another subject..) Good luck!

 

[patandchickens]

If you want to pick up the horse, you can have a vet chip it with a plain vanilla "animal identification" type microchip (not one of FHANA's special series), in the presence of the breeder and vet, so that later on there can be no question as to whether the horse is the one that you were shown as yours on the farm.

This would be of limited usefullness in some scenarios, but somewhat helpful in others.

Frankly? I do not think you're getting this horse registered. Ever. (I could be wrong, but that's my bet). It'd be best to eyeball him before delivery, to make sure he's close enough to something you'd want to spend money on, but that is most likely what the end of the story will involve.

Have you asked FHANA whether she is the registered owner of the mare, whether there is any impediment they know of to the foal being registered, and called the stallion owner to ask if the mare was bred and the breeding paid for? It is possible that there is something you could turn up there, with due diligence, that would render irrelevant all the rest of the angst about registration procedures because maybe the foal is not registerable *anyhow*.

Pat