are y'all better off than you were 4 years ago ?

[RunningRabbit]

Not in my town it isn't! We have people who do the stupidest things and are surprised they got hurt. Guy my sister knows drank hot coffee from McDonalds even though he knew it was hot. One ER visit later and salve for his burns, he decided to try and sue McDonalds. Nevermind the fact the fact that he commented on how hot it was before taking a swig of it. Needless to say, the lawsuit didn't go no where because it was determined that he was negligent in his behavior. Ergo, even though he got burned, his stupid behavior was the cause of the injury. Totally frivolous on his part.


Now if it was a total failure of the business to take proper precautions and the injury was the result, then yeah, sue away. But not if a lapse in judgement on the customers part was responsible for the injury.

Needless to say, said guy hasn't gotten very far in life. Color me unsurprised lol!

 

[rufus]

As far as federal taxes goes I think everyone should pay 10% of all earnings.

As far as a 20% tariff on all imports are you ready to pay 10% or so more for gas and other oil products ? Just a tariff on the oil we import will raise prices on all goods. Also exports will go down putting more people on unemployment.

"They bought into Chesapeake and Devon, so now they have a say so in how we develop our newly discovered shale gas."
Just because someone buys 10 or 20% of a business doesn't mean they have much of a say in what the business does.


Sometimes the tail wags the dog.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/...se-oil-giant-to-purchase-canadian-oil-company

If Romney is elected, he intends to open up federal land in the west for mineral exploration. We will see drilling everywhere but Temple Square. I suspect the era of imported oil is coming to an end.

 

[hemet dennis]

Sometimes the tail wags the dog.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/...se-oil-giant-to-purchase-canadian-oil-company

The oil will still be sold here.



If Romney is elected, he intends to open up federal land in the west for mineral exploration. We will see drilling everywhere but Temple Square. I suspect the era of imported oil is coming to an end.

We will still import oil but i will be happier importing from Canada and Mexico then some places we import from now.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Just as a national security standpoint...why would we want to use all of our resources first? For those of you who do things like store food, you should understand what I mean. You store because you know that it gives you security for the bad times ahead. Leaving our natural resources in the ground is much the same thing; a natural bank if you will. I've never understood this push to get all our oil and coal out of the ground.

We should be diversifying our energy consumption. In much of the southern parts of the US, where the population is drifting, there is ample solar power. The problem is that it is cost prohibitive for individuals, and corporate power producers do not want it cheap for individual homeowners. If there were real incentives for home energy production, it would be easier to take people off grid, or partially off grid. This makes economic sense, environmental sense and national security sense. It would mean less dependence of foreign power sources, fewer emissions from fossil fuel burning, and lower energy costs for consumers. Again, doesn't make good sense for energy production companies.

 

[hemet dennis]

Just as a national security standpoint...why would we want to use all of our resources first? For those of you who do things like store food, you should understand what I mean. You store because you know that it gives you security for the bad times ahead. Leaving our natural resources in the ground is much the same thing; a natural bank if you will. I've never understood this push to get all our oil and coal out of the ground.

We should be diversifying our energy consumption. In much of the southern parts of the US, where the population is drifting, there is ample solar power. The problem is that it is cost prohibitive for individuals, and corporate power producers do not want it cheap for individual homeowners. If there were real incentives for home energy production, it would be easier to take people off grid, or partially off grid. This makes economic sense, environmental sense and national security sense. It would mean less dependence of foreign power sources, fewer emissions from fossil fuel burning, and lower energy costs for consumers. Again, doesn't make good sense for energy production companies.

Well one problem is you run out of money to buy the other guys oil. In the 1940's our proven oil reserves were about 20 billion barrels and after pumping out a couple trillion barrels our reserves our about 23 billion barrels. So I remember listening to the "experts" in the 70's and the said we would be out of oil about 20 years ago. Now it's true that the easy oil has been used, that's why the price is higher. It cost more to get the oil now.

If oil were to drop below $50 a barrel the Canadian tar sands oil production will shut down along with a lot of wells in this country. they will not run them at a loss.

In Calif. the state used to pay half the price of installing solar panels on your home but the price was still about $30,000 to $40,000 for the home owners half. The average payback time was about 20 years. That's why you don't see a lot of homes with solar panels. some of the ones you do see don't work anymore because people cant afford to repair them. So when you say "real incentives for home energy production" how much do you want the taxpayer to pay ?

 

[Arielle]

I talked with an uncle last week --his job is setting up banking within a country. Really. I commented on the changes in our banking laws and how they really don't have any teeth. He totally agreed. THen made some comment on how a few people should be shot for what they did. ANd he was talking bout the big mucky-mucks that earn an extra 40$ mil in bonuses for loosing investor money. I had to agree with him.

Another fellow was talking to me a couple years ago--the country with the most oil reserves wins. We need to get more solar in place. THe prices have come down and the panels are much more efficient. Electric companies already subsidize building better insulated houses, and at about $6K that was worth every penny. A few changes at initial construction will save in heating costs for the rest of the life of the house, or cooling.

For those that have a little pot or a little plot, consider growing a few vegies. It will add to the larder. Along with a chicken or two for eggs.

Our country is gaining jobs. Compared to a year ago, the unemployment numbers are better. THis isn't the whole picture, but one peice. I see help wanted signs more than in past years. I see that as good news. National bugeting is different than private. for those concerned about the national debt, consider that our debt is not as big as other countries( sorry cant remember the details, just that we are not alone.) and a portion of that debt is due to a war that was kept off the book by the previous administration. THe current admin felt it would be more honest to make the numbers public. To put the dbt in persepctive, consider each of the presidental compaigns will spend 1 BILLION in ads in just the swing states according to the news I heard the other day. We can pull out of this.

Banks and businesses are hording money that is needed to create confidence to buy; buying makes for demand, which encourages companies to hire and take risks. THe loaning system has loosened up since 4 years ago, but it still needs to get loaning out that money.

WHen I think my life is in the hole, I purposely think of the many people who are without water, or are living in a car. It is my reminder that I should be grateful for what I have, to laugh a little more, to smile a little more ( it might make someones day) and to give my kids one more hug. I am grateful that I live in a time where vaccines and modern medicine keep my kids healthy and me healthy. THat we have access to fresh foods all year long, tomotoes, and green leaf lettuces. THat cars are more fuel efficient than ever before. That with the technilogy of the internet and this forum I can chat with friends for a few minutes. I choose to look for the silver lining.

 

[rufus]

Well, the answer to our prayers just might be under our feet. This morning the well head price of natural gas was $2.46 and liquid natural gas was $4.30. Currently, the market is glutted. However, when we switch to natural gas to power our automobile, the price will come up. Market forces will do the trick. A seven dollar fill up compared to a forty dollar fill up is a no brainer.







http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...95d2-1aee-11e2-ad4a-e5a958b60a1e_story_1.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/b...g-winners-and-losers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Notice that all of this development is taking place on private land. When federal lands in the west and Alaska are explored and exploited, the US will become an exporter of energy. The era of imported oil is over.

 

[hemet dennis]

Well, the answer to our prayers just might be under our feet. This morning the well head price of natural gas was $2.46 and liquid natural gas was $4.30. Currently, the market is glutted. However, when we switch to natural gas to power our automobile, the price will come up. Market forces will do the trick. A seven dollar fill up compared to a forty dollar fill up is a no brainer.







http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...95d2-1aee-11e2-ad4a-e5a958b60a1e_story_1.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/b...g-winners-and-losers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Notice that all of this development is taking place on private land. When federal lands in the west and Alaska are explored and exploited, the US will become an exporter of energy. The era of imported oil is over.

Not until we have an infrastructure built so that running cars on natural gas can be filled.
Anyone got an extra trillion dollars ?

 

[Capvin]

Well, remember that when Henry Ford built the first cars there were no gas stations either. It was not easy in the beginning to get a "fill up". When enough cars begin running on natural gas and propane you can bet that the infrastructure will be built pretty quick. I like the idea.

 

[hemet dennis]

Well, remember that when Henry Ford built the first cars there were no gas stations either. It was not easy in the beginning to get a "fill up". When enough cars begin running on natural gas and propane you can bet that the infrastructure will be built pretty quick. I like the idea.

So what comes first the cars that run N.G. or the stations to fill up the cars ?
What came first the chicken or the egg ?

The good think is that there's a supply line of N.G. out in front of most stations. The bad thing is that it takes about 15 to 20 minutes to fill up.

You can also buy the system to fill up at home. Just kind of a high price.
It is a good option for fleets.