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Most dogs don't, unless specifically trained for hunting.
Most dogs don't, unless specifically trained for hunting.
Are you Pro-Gun because of predators?
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EMaker wrote: It isn't the only "incivility' in this equation, but I heartily agree it is hugely uncivil! No argument from me there.
The dog owner's irresponsibility is all that matters. If all owners maintained their property responsibly, you'd not find yourself constructing a case that, for all intents and purposes, concludes that if someone throws a rock through one of my windows, I should return the rock to the thrower and be polite while doing so. As I mentioned in my original post someone else's dog on my property is the dog owner's proxy agent of trespass and potential destruction - an unguided missile loosed haphazardly. If the dog owner, instead of the dog, entered the property, got down on their hands and knees and started tearing apart the poultry (penned or not - doesn't matter - my property, yes?) and eating them raw, I'd probably wish I had some injectable haldol at hand (wouldn't shoot them, waste of everyone's time - do have a nice aluminum baseball bat for inducing anesthesia). Dogs are even less predictable and as a deputy sheriff, who laughed at the question, told me `match up slugs from a dog, you've got to be ******* me"
A secure run and coop is required, I agree. Putting down an irresponsible idiot's vermin, on our property is a burden imposed on me by idiots, that's a certainty, QED.
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The dog owner's irresponsibility is all that matters. If all owners maintained their property responsibly, you'd not find yourself constructing a case that, for all intents and purposes, concludes that if someone throws a rock through one of my windows, I should return the rock to the thrower and be polite while doing so. As I mentioned in my original post someone else's dog on my property is the dog owner's proxy agent of trespass and potential destruction - an unguided missile loosed haphazardly. If the dog owner, instead of the dog, entered the property, got down on their hands and knees and started tearing apart the poultry (penned or not - doesn't matter - my property, yes?) and eating them raw, I'd probably wish I had some injectable haldol at hand (wouldn't shoot them, waste of everyone's time - do have a nice aluminum baseball bat for inducing anesthesia). Dogs are even less predictable and as a deputy sheriff, who laughed at the question, told me `match up slugs from a dog, you've got to be ******* me"
A secure run and coop is required, I agree. Putting down an irresponsible idiot's vermin, on our property is a burden imposed on me by idiots, that's a certainty, QED.
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I also am flabbergasted by the folks who think it's great to have your dogs to kill, they will do so indiscriminately. We are the humans, so let's try to at least appear more intelligent when making decisions.
If my own dog killed my livestock, I would shoot it myself unless I could find an immediate home for it with someone responsible who lived in town. If my dog were running deer, I would put it down, too. It is illegal to let your dog run deer or harass livestock belonging to other people, even if the livestock on on your land! (Open range here).
That said, my dogs are intelligent enough to tell the difference between mice, packrats and pocket gophers and poultry, dairy goats, etc.
Very few dog owners are willing to adequately compensate the owner of killed livestock or poultry (if at all). Also, stock doesn't have to be killed to affect it's health, performance or production. Dairy animals stress and drop in milk production. Some animals will spend so much time in fear of the dogs that they don't get to graze or eat enough. Pregnant cattle can miscarry due to being chased by a little dachsund.
And then, most of the dog owners will tell you that Rolfie didn't "mean it". He just "likes to play with/visit the animals". And they might be sorry, but are they going to make it right or at least keep their dumb, marauding canine at home? Probably not.
I just changed my mind. I don't feel bad about shooting dogs. If my dog comes over and bothers your stock, I would understand 100% if you shot him or her. Would I be sad? Sure. Would I blame you? No. Would I be ashamed of myself as a pet owner and neighbor? YES, I would be.
If my own dog killed my livestock, I would shoot it myself unless I could find an immediate home for it with someone responsible who lived in town. If my dog were running deer, I would put it down, too. It is illegal to let your dog run deer or harass livestock belonging to other people, even if the livestock on on your land! (Open range here).
That said, my dogs are intelligent enough to tell the difference between mice, packrats and pocket gophers and poultry, dairy goats, etc.
Very few dog owners are willing to adequately compensate the owner of killed livestock or poultry (if at all). Also, stock doesn't have to be killed to affect it's health, performance or production. Dairy animals stress and drop in milk production. Some animals will spend so much time in fear of the dogs that they don't get to graze or eat enough. Pregnant cattle can miscarry due to being chased by a little dachsund.
And then, most of the dog owners will tell you that Rolfie didn't "mean it". He just "likes to play with/visit the animals". And they might be sorry, but are they going to make it right or at least keep their dumb, marauding canine at home? Probably not.
I just changed my mind. I don't feel bad about shooting dogs. If my dog comes over and bothers your stock, I would understand 100% if you shot him or her. Would I be sad? Sure. Would I blame you? No. Would I be ashamed of myself as a pet owner and neighbor? YES, I would be.
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Most dogs don't, unless specifically trained for hunting.
I know you haven't been on here long, but there are MANY threads about dogs who kill or chase away predators and other wild animals and leave the livestock/birds alone. Most well trained dogs DO know the difference, and even some who weren't trained to leave the livestock alone.
Most dogs don't, unless specifically trained for hunting.
I know you haven't been on here long, but there are MANY threads about dogs who kill or chase away predators and other wild animals and leave the livestock/birds alone. Most well trained dogs DO know the difference, and even some who weren't trained to leave the livestock alone.
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Most dogs don't, unless specifically trained for hunting.
I know you haven't been on here long, but there are MANY threads about dogs who kill or chase away predators and other wild animals and leave the livestock/birds alone. Most well trained dogs DO know the difference, and even some who weren't trained to leave the livestock alone.
Thank you la dee da. I forgot to mention that. My dog also will kill or chase away intruders on "his" turf. We didn't teach him that. He does it all by himself. Possums, coons, rats, mice (he's a better mouser than my cats!), etc. Not skunks. He tries to discourage their presence without irritating them.
Anyway, my original point was that dogs can and do know the difference between what does and does not belong on the place. Not that this has anything to do with my feelings on guns and predators.... I've already stated that.
Most dogs don't, unless specifically trained for hunting.
I know you haven't been on here long, but there are MANY threads about dogs who kill or chase away predators and other wild animals and leave the livestock/birds alone. Most well trained dogs DO know the difference, and even some who weren't trained to leave the livestock alone.
Thank you la dee da. I forgot to mention that. My dog also will kill or chase away intruders on "his" turf. We didn't teach him that. He does it all by himself. Possums, coons, rats, mice (he's a better mouser than my cats!), etc. Not skunks. He tries to discourage their presence without irritating them.
i am going to by a ar-15 soon and there will be no more predators on my turf ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!
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Most dogs don't, unless specifically trained for hunting.
I know you haven't been on here long, but there are MANY threads about dogs who kill or chase away predators and other wild animals and leave the livestock/birds alone. Most well trained dogs DO know the difference, and even some who weren't trained to leave the livestock alone.
There is a group of breeds specifically developed to guard livestock from predators (including strange dogs) including the Great Pyrenees, Maremma, Anatolian Shepherd and the Kuvasz. These dogs easily discriminate between the animals they protect and any animal or strange human they find in their territory. In addition, herding dogs have been bred to discriminate between their flock/herd and other creatures. These dogs are used to locate animals that have gotten separated from the flock/herd. They could not do so without the ability to recognize a flock member.
Pet dogs can very well ignore animals on their property, yet travel away from their owner's land and go after livestock living on a neighboring farm or ranch. Pet dogs might not bother the family cat, but will gladly chase down and kill a strange feline.
Most dogs don't, unless specifically trained for hunting.
I know you haven't been on here long, but there are MANY threads about dogs who kill or chase away predators and other wild animals and leave the livestock/birds alone. Most well trained dogs DO know the difference, and even some who weren't trained to leave the livestock alone.
There is a group of breeds specifically developed to guard livestock from predators (including strange dogs) including the Great Pyrenees, Maremma, Anatolian Shepherd and the Kuvasz. These dogs easily discriminate between the animals they protect and any animal or strange human they find in their territory. In addition, herding dogs have been bred to discriminate between their flock/herd and other creatures. These dogs are used to locate animals that have gotten separated from the flock/herd. They could not do so without the ability to recognize a flock member.
Pet dogs can very well ignore animals on their property, yet travel away from their owner's land and go after livestock living on a neighboring farm or ranch. Pet dogs might not bother the family cat, but will gladly chase down and kill a strange feline.
No, I am pro gun because I am pro Constitution and it is a Constitutional Right.
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