Arizona Chickens

[Tanichca]

Hello AZ peeps. I go to see Thor before anyone else in my family did, and now I finally have something over my annoying big brother

 

[pastrymama]

holy smokes! there is a great horned owl that is HUGE sitting in a pine tree above my coops and run. the tree is in the neighbor's yard, but he just found the darn thing. yikes! now what?????????????

 

[LarryPQ]

You are both correct, and you are both incorrect. Different vaccines are developed differently. I cannot verify it, but would be surprised if human embryos were used for animal vaccinations. The purpose is to have the vaccine work on the target species.

Did you check out my link from the previous post? That site ROCKS.

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines

I skipped all the other ways vaccines are developed, mostly because Pinky only mentioned the babies thing.

Wikipedia had a well-written article. Pretty clear and concise for the layman, but also a FABULOUS set of references at the bottom.

Vaccine production techniques are evolving. Cultured mammalian cells are expected to become increasingly important, compared to conventional options such as chicken eggs, due to greater productivitity and low incidence of problems with contamination. Recombination technology that produces genetically detoxified vaccine is expected to grow in popularity for the production of bacterial vaccines that use toxoids. Combination vaccines are expected to reduce the quantities of antigens they contain, and thereby decrease undesirable interactions, by using pathogen-associated molecular patterns.[33]

I used to work with a lady who believed vaccines were the devil. She would crusade and berate people "who dare to allow" their kids to be vaccinated. She thought the vaccines had made her kids short, stupid, and probably a few more "s" words I can't think of this soon after dinnertime.​

 

[ArizonaDesertChicks]

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Hi Laree - I went to the Stock Shop today too, to pick up a couple of BPR babies to add to the brood of chicks from my online order and hatched eggs (all same age - about 2 weeks old).

I also found an odd chick - not a crossbeak, but a one of a kind chick. It is black with puffy chicks and a very strange/flat/wide comb. The only other black chicks at the stock ship are BPR (and this is not a BPR) and the only other fluffy faced chicks are the EEs and I've never see a black EE at the Stock Shop (The EEs at The Stock Shop are generally the partridge type colors).

I'm not sure if it's a polish? or ??? -- there is no topknot/puffball on the head, like the other polish chicks I've seen, but I can't figure out what else it would be -- all black, yellow tummy, and bearded face. I just had to take it home, since it was the only one like it ..... and a mystery

It better be a girl.


Turkey Breeder -- Thanks for the tamales - they are very good. It was also helpful that your brother lives near The Stock Shop - I went there right after picking up the tamales. I'm glad your broody is still setting and I'm sure she'll make it till the end (Tuesday!)

To all the Hatchers, this week -- Congrats!

your welcome i did not know the stock shop was close by i would have told my parents to take me i never gone to

the stock shop before i am so happy one or two more days for the broody chicken to hatch some baby chicks
my mom had been busy and was not able to make the chicken tamales this week but when we make some
and my brother go's to our house i can send you some to try them thanks have a great day

You'll have to visit the Stock Shop sometime - it's nice. It's about 2 miles from your brother's house (on Thunderbird at about 67th Ave)

 

[Smiles-N-Sunshine]

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Yes, I have six more pullets from that hatch. They're roosting separately from the main population, under a creosote bush, but if I lose another one I'll secure them in the run at night. I knew we had small owls around, and are very happy to have them control mice, but I thought the pullets were big enough (8 weeks old) to no longer qualify as owl food.

So, I hope the owl enjoyed his fresh chicken dinner, but I wish I could've offered a roo instead

There are some tiny owls (saw an absolutely adorable elf owl in Tucson Saturday a week ago. Fully grown and as small as a sparrow (or maybe even smaller)!. No, it could not, would not take on a chicken. They eat insects and scorpions and small mice. But a great horned owl can and will take on the largest chicken you can find, and will usually win. Game and Fish referred to them as "a killing machine" when I called several years ago trying to determine what had killed several of my largefowl and silkies.

Great - the DW says she's seen a great horned owl perched on our electric pole for months....

 

[Smiles-N-Sunshine]

You know you're a BYC Arizona thread addict when you have a scratch pad next to your computer, with the page numbers of the last page you viewed before you posted a comment, because there's no "back" button....

 

[Bob's Henhouse]

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The reason why my DH is getting into this chicken thing so much is because of all these "little" projects. He now wants to build a chicken plucker if I can get him a 3/4 HP motor. That plucker plucks chickens in 15 seconds flat (check out various U-tube videos). That's what you need! Easy as pie

. Maybe there will even be a DH project building support group...

What kind of 3/4 hp motor do you need? 115 or 230 v.? What rpm? 1/2 or 5/8 shaft? Like an evap cooler motor or more like an a/c motor. New or used? I know a guy......

 

[Bob's Henhouse]

We have at least 2 great horned owls that make the power poles and my and my neighbors roof home. My broody that had hatched my last Icelandics disappeared a couple of weeks ago, and I'm guessing it had to be either the owls or a coyote. Never even found a feather pile.

Tonight I can't find 2 of the Icelandic juvies. I'm hoping they are just roosting in a good hiding spot.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Did you check out my link from the previous post? That site ROCKS.

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines

I skipped all the other ways vaccines are developed, mostly because Pinky only mentioned the babies thing.

Wikipedia had a well-written article. Pretty clear and concise for the layman, but also a FABULOUS set of references at the bottom.

Vaccine production techniques are evolving. Cultured mammalian cells are expected to become increasingly important, compared to conventional options such as chicken eggs, due to greater productivitity and low incidence of problems with contamination. Recombination technology that produces genetically detoxified vaccine is expected to grow in popularity for the production of bacterial vaccines that use toxoids. Combination vaccines are expected to reduce the quantities of antigens they contain, and thereby decrease undesirable interactions, by using pathogen-associated molecular patterns.[33]

I used to work with a lady who believed vaccines were the devil. She would crusade and berate people "who dare to allow" their kids to be vaccinated. She thought the vaccines had made her kids short, stupid, and probably a few more "s" words I can't think of this soon after dinnertime.​

No, I posted before I saw your post. You did a MUCH better job of answering. I'll have to go check out the links. I've always felt that one needs to read and research and ask questions before making decisions. Fortunately our pediatrician is excellent at answering questions. And is willing to discuss vaccination other than to say "You Must Vacinate!" as so many do. When I interviewed him before my son was born (DS is now 25) I had read a lot of concerns about some vaccinations, and asked. He went into a lot of scientific detail about risks both of the vaccines and the diseases, and towards the end of the discussion, asked if I had sufficient information, or would like him to research the medical literaure for more information. And over the years since then, as new vaccines were developed, we talked about each of those and who was at risk and whether the risk outweighed the benefit or not for us.

 

[ca]

In general I think that parents who put that much thought into whether they should vaccinate their kids or not are GREAT parents - independent of what they end up doing. They obviously care! It all depends on your philosophy and lifestyle. My mom subscribed to the premise that "if it does not kill you it makes you stronger". No vaccines except polio and much later rubella. So I had pretty much any childhood illness there is on the planet. I'd like to think it worked

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