arsenic and cancer causing ingredients in chicken feed

[Crazy Camp]

its sounds like a great bill and that its doing a lot of help but still that there are cancer causing agent in feed that people give to their pets and also eat themselves is worrisome. if you know of any feeds that healtier alternative and do not have any cancer causing agents i would live to know. Id also love to know more about this reverse osmosis and how its harmful

Research is so exhausting and time consuming, Trying to avoid Cancer causing Substances in the world We live in Is impossible but that said, I only use "USA Certified organically produced" products and feed "Mile Four" is one of a few companies I like. I also filter water. As far as reverse osmosis, the only Negative I have found Is the process filters out all essential minerals... so you need to Add them back. I find there to be a drawback in everything. I research Then make the best decision I feel most comfortable with.

 

[nuthatched]

Much ado about nothing, there's trace toxins in most things, even in organic.
no reason to panic.

 

[My Very First 6 Chickens]

yeah because you blood cells swell anf this has nothing to do with flourode or anything like that. im just concerned on why items under " feed " even need a cancer warning amd if their is a healtier option.

welcome to CA

 

[Acre4Me]

We are talking about chemicals, not drinking too much water... lol

 

[BigBlueHen53]

This thread dates from 2021.

In CA practically everything has to have this warning on it. I call it a CYA warning. That way if anyone gets cancer they can't sue anybody because every manufacturer can just shrug and say, "Didn't you read the warning? You used it at your own risk. We informed you it was possibly hazardous. Too bad, so sad, go away."

 

[Al Gerhart]

Someone already pointed out that dosage makes the poison, not the chemical/element. They probably put the Prop 65 label on ladders along with a notice not to ingest. The regulation has ruined a lot of cabinet/furniture/millwork coatings, in a lot of places it is hard and expensive to find anything other than paint thinner based stain instead of the preferred lacquer based.

The paint thinner based stains will burn down your paint booth and shop. Makes a god awful mess in the spray booth too, requiring constant cleaning. The lacquer based stain turns to dry powder a couple of feet in the air once it exits the nozzle compared to a thick gooey sludge that tracks everywhere.

One very educated poster mentioned a lot of the legal background of Prop 65 and its use to shake down businesses and how useless it is anyway. I worked with a horde of chemists, health physicists, industrial hygienists, Uranium mining experts, and radon scientists on a project on the dangers of the elements/minerals in fabricating granite countertops back around 2008 or so. One of the dirty secrets I learned is that the government will not regulate anything without being surrounded and supported by these experts mentioned and the companies involved and all the associate trade groups and accrediting associations for the scientists. Also the regulations passed nearly always focus on the paperwork part, the paper trail of the purchase of the materials, employee training, MDS sheets on hand, employee handbooks. Then the big dogs focus mostly on the big factories that can pay the huge fines, mom and pop shops can't pay, so they go where the money is.

But none of this gets past the govt agencies without massive involvement of the shareholders, it is more about CYA and making money.

The project I was working on caused a panic. Massive levels of toxic heavy metals and radiation exposures to the fabricators and in some cases consumers. We went from individuals and scientists doing pro bono work to the point that OSHA and the EPA took notice, but they had neither the expertise or the equipment to monitor or test, so NIOSH took over who also initially panicked when our group re ran the testing because even they didn't have the expertise to study this risk. But they convinced the University of Oklahoma to get involved. They had the particle size experts to do the testing but even their equipment choked up so bad that it invalidated the testing. None of them understood two things; the amount of exposure to massive amounts of dust needed to fabricate granite, and that besides the processed/purified Uranium they were dealing with the entire decay chain that contains some massively more toxic elements. Uranium goes through a decay chain, stepping down through a couple dozen elements in the periodic table, all varying in radioactivity and toxicity. The problem was a thing called secular equilibrium, if I recall the name correctly. That means the U235 put out the same radiation that each individual element such as the Polonium. A ten foot pile of U235 put out the same amount of gamma, alpha, and beta radiation as the tiny handful of polonium. Dealing with processed/purified Uranium is quite safe, you could eat the stuff literally, where a speck of the worst elements would kill you through radiation or toxicity.

In the end the testing, authorized and supported by OSHA and NIOSH, was killed off by the OU law school after the testing was found to be so dangerous that it couldn't be done ethically. They did much of the testing at my shop with my workers in moon suits with backpack HEPA respirators. Done at the end in November so it was cool enough the workers could stand the suits for ten minute work periods. You couldn't see, water dripped inside the hood, dirty water and grit covered the outside of the hood, you worked more by feel than by vision.

The point was despite massive opposition by trade groups and hundred million dollar industries, the testing was dropped by safety concerns and because the industries refused to participate. OSHA and NIOSH weren't happy but the simple fact is that few of these safety regulations get passed without the cooperation of the big boys in business. The ones that make it are useful because it limits competition.

OU did the only thing they could do after the lawyers shut the testing down. They put a grad student testing granite shops to find out if the fabrication methods we used were typical or if we were just too primitive in methods and the results were skewed. Nope, 95% of the shops tested showed similar results, even the wet shops with millions of dollars of CNC equipment cutting with flooded tooling showed gross contamination. I was invited to watch his PhD dissertation being presented, defended, and passed.

Then everyone walked away. Someday this will be the next asbestos type disaster. The experts knew about it but couldn't do a damn thing about it. I was able to write extensively about the radiation risks of the material when I was asked to re write the countertop section of Interior Graphic Standards, warning interior designers, contractors, and architects about the radiological risks and a brief amount of info on some of the other toxic heavy metals/elements in natural stone. If you go to college for one of these trades the book is used as one of college texts and lifelong references kept on your desk or bookshelf for your entire career.

Point being, this dwarfs the risks and concerns in minute amounts of elements in your chicken feed. What made Prop 65 survive is that it fed millions if not billions to the lawyers, was celebrated by the virtue signalers, politicians, and the greenies. The Prop 65 risks are manageable because they are minute, and it evolved to be tolerable and even useful by the industry groups involved.

Relax, your chickens have hundreds of ways of killing themselves and are experts at finding new ways.

 

[Down Under]

Relax, your chickens have hundreds of ways of killing themselves and are experts at finding new ways.

I love that statement because it is so true

 

[Al Gerhart]

Kind of puts things in perspective, doesn't it.

Not everyone gets my attempts at humor.

You are a sick person. I like the cut of your jib, matey.

 

[McChooky]

This warning comes up anytime you buy hardware cloth from California because 'galvanized' steel has zinc in/on it

You will see that on everything in california, dont know how anyone there is still alive.

 

[Al Gerhart]

Zinc, the essential element......