Article on government crackdown on raw milk

[chickened]

If Wieners wife cannot trust him why should I? You are right Hoss
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What do you think Tony Wieners' interests were? They are Politicians and cannot be trusted any of them. And yes the system does corrupt them the honest ones.

 

[greyhorsewoman]

All farmers selling milk to dairies must be USDA inspected and pass a certain set of standards in their facilities.

 

[Amyable]

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Requiring the dairy to become a bottling facility (this is how the law sees it if the farm supplies containers) would be extremely expensive with a whole host of additional regs. What small dairy could possibly afford it? I just bring my own clean glass jars and have them filled from the bulk tank spigot. The proposed 2011 WI raw milk law would require signs to be posted that the milk is raw. I think it is up to consumers to educate themselves about the benefits and risks. For example, I read every ingredient label on food and sometimes have to search to find out what exactly an ingredient is (partially-hydrogenated soybean oil, anyone?)

USDA inspection and FDA rubberstamping don't really guarantee anything. I place much more faith in the neighbor that I look in the eye to provide me with a clean product from his small farm.

 

[chickened]

Testing is more to keep the honest honest not as enforcement and to educate. It is still ultimately buyer beware.

 

[Dunkopf]

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So you don't think our campaign system is flawed? Who's really drinking the Kool Aid?

I think the whole system is flawed,there needs to be a complete reboot,fire them all and start over.

Ya know Hoss, I agree with you on that one. It would be a serious GF to start but I wouldn't mind seeing them do things differently on a lot of stuff. That applies to everyone in DC and a lot of guys at the state level.

There are a few good ones mixed in though.

 

[Hoss1975]

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I think the whole system is flawed,there needs to be a complete reboot,fire them all and start over.

Ya know Hoss, I agree with you on that one. It would be a serious GF to start but I wouldn't mind seeing them do things differently on a lot of stuff. That applies to everyone in DC and a lot of guys at the state level.

There are a few good ones mixed in though.

Thank you!!

 

[Ridgerunner]

What this quote from the CDC does not address is how much more pasteurized mild is sold and consumed than raw milk.

http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-questions-and-answers.html#outbreaks
Information about raw milk-related outbreaks
States that allow the legal sale of raw milk for human consumption have more raw milk-related outbreaks of illness than states that do not allow raw milk to be sold legally.

CDC collects data on foodborne disease outbreaks voluntarily reported by the state, local, territorial, or tribal health departments. The health departments conduct most outbreak investigations reported to CDC. The data reported may change frequently as reporting agencies enter new records and modify or delete old ones.

Among dairy product-associated outbreaks reported to CDC between 1973 and 2008 in which the investigators reported whether the product was pasteurized or raw, 82% were due to raw milk or cheese. From 1998 through 2008, 86 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 1,676 illnesses, 191 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths. Most of these illnesses were caused by Escherichia coli O157, Campylobacter, or Salmonella. It is important to note that a substantial proportion of the raw milk-associated disease burden falls on children; among the 86 raw dairy product outbreaks from 1998 to 2008, 79% involved at least one person less than 20 years old.

Reported outbreaks represent the tip of the iceberg. For every outbreak and every illness reported, many others occur, and most illnesses are not part of recognized outbreaks.

 

[Colored Egg Farmer]

I really do beleve they should be allowed to sell raw milk with exceptions.

1. your faculity must be inspected
2. you must use safety procedures
3. The Risks of drinking raw milk be published on the product. (just like smokeing)
4. Correct Labeling. You should include all the farms information, Safety info, How to store and prevent the product from becoming contaminated.
5. Drink at your own risk be printed.

For the inspection Farms should be rated on an inspection scale.


A lower class farm with less safety equipment gets a lower number
A higher farm with more equipment and safety pratices should get a higher number.
The number will also be subject to change on the level of contaminated products being sold. aka if you sell a bad product and the usda or buyer finds out they can be reported.

But this gives the "big guys" a lead over the smaller family farm.

Or does it....

No Any farm that has any time of incident will affect there inspection number. A bigger company will have a higher chance of contamination due to there increased products sales Which in the end will affect there rateing.



Raw milk should be taken like any other product. Its just another product, But it needs to be outlined carefully so the public is able to see there consequences. You should not be allowed to stop someone from drinking raw milk, The same way you shouldn't be able to stop someone from drinking raw eggs or eating raw meat. There are some people out there that do that but they understand there risks and understand the pratices to make themselves have a smaller chance of getting contaminated by choosing products and takeing care of them accordingly.

 

[Colored Egg Farmer]

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The one question is How were these products handled and who was at fault was it the consumer or the producer. And also how does this stack up against other outbreaks. It shoudl be put into a ratio. How many ill to how many safe. Vs how many ill and how many safe compared to other things like Produce contamination, and meat contamination.

 

[chickened]

There is absolutely no logical reason a person cannot walk into a farmers' market and choose raw milk right next to pasteurized.

All they need is a warning label like all other products. The problem I think is big daddy government is convinced that we need our milk bottle fed to us and then change our diaper after we drink it, protect us, for the dummies we are. How long have warning labels been on cigarettes? people still smoke and unless you are a castaway or living in a cave you know it is bad for you. The same could apply to milk one would think. But then someone that gets subsidies would say hey that's not fair or vice versa. and have a big blow up similar to the organic non-organic debate. The real issue I think is the government encroachers would not feel they could adequately regulate the industry and fund it so it is easier and cheaper to ban it, how would they enforce inspections on a person selling to a nieghbor?