Australorps breed Thread

[groche]

Chet,
it's great to hear that you're willing to have another go at starting up a club and I think an international one could be a terrific sharing forum. I posted some suggestions on this thread and asked for Maggie to make contact. Received no response from she or Jim. Went to the site and read the manifesto. Must confess to a sudden urge to take to the streets with a U.S. flag and a cigarette lighter! When did the American Standard become the International Standard for an Australian- designed chook???!!! Grrrr!!!! Lost me, folks! There are unfortunately different Standards for the same breed in different parts of the world which can be confusing. This may be understandable historically, as Standards reflect available bloodlines as well as differing 'taste' in the showring. eg. you have good Utility Aussie lines but, lacking our 'Exhibition blood, you are having to develop it yourselves. Go tigercreek!
Cheers Geoff from Aus

 

[tigercreek]

Chet,
it's great to hear that you're willing to have another go at starting up a club and I think an international one could be a terrific sharing forum. I posted some suggestions on this thread and asked for Maggie to make contact. Received no response from she or Jim. Went to the site and read the manifesto. Must confess to a sudden urge to take to the streets with a U.S. flag and a cigarette lighter! When did the American Standard become the International Standard for an Australian- designed chook???!!! Grrrr!!!! Lost me, folks! There are unfortunately different Standards for the same breed in different parts of the world which can be confusing. This may be understandable historically, as Standards reflect available bloodlines as well as differing 'taste' in the showring. eg. you have good Utility Aussie lines but, lacking our 'Exhibition blood, you are having to develop it yourselves. Go tigercreek!
Cheers Geoff from Aus

Please don't put that on me!! I'm just a small time player. Not even my primary breed, .....stan

 

[groche]

Sorry Stan,
only meant that I really like what you're doing with your Aussies. Never meant to imply that you were responsible for the 'Yankee Imperialism'! Wasn't being that serious anyway. I'm sure Jim just did a bit of a cut and paste in a hurry from an American breed. I was disappointed that the Maggie person deemed me unworthy of any response, however.
Cheers Geoff from Aus

 

[aveca]

Hey you, I am a Yankee........

.Geoff, dont get upset by it..things move a little slow in APA...they have to go with what we have..it looks like we are trying to rule the world with what you created but that isnt true. America has a habit of that sort of smuggness but think of it this way...they had to set our rules and regs with avail stock..they cant make a set of standards for something that is pretty much out of our reach..and yes they should have somone from australia helping out, but all we have is all we have.. a lack of incoming stock..How can we get stock or hatching eggs from australia? then settle them in? england is a little closer..still a challenge..there is always a waiting list in your own country for decent birds..no chance we get some..no one with deep pockets is interested in bringing some in..Best thing to do is get import stations to bring them in..the demand isnt that big to warrent thier time or money.. then we go back to the problem of the waiting list..no easy task..we can stand and dream or we can begin at a starting point and evolve as time goes on and somone brings in australian stock to mix and mingle.

Due to all of this, a lot of us can only guess at how australia created the australorp, and try to follow, we can see english orpington background by the neatness in tail shape, langshan probably clean legged, but look at the problems like feed prices right now, droughts, floods , gas priced make feed prices soar..to house a ton of birds and try to do what you have done is no easy task.

US geography lesson for today, Yankees live in a small geographic region, they make maple syrup, largley against imperialism. they like baseball..ect..its only a spec on the big beautiful US map

 

[tigercreek]

Sorry Stan,
only meant that I really like what you're doing with your Aussies. Never meant to imply that you were responsible for the 'Yankee Imperialism'! Wasn't being that serious anyway. I'm sure Jim just did a bit of a cut and paste in a hurry from an American breed. I was disappointed that the Maggie person deemed me unworthy of any response, however.
Cheers Geoff from Aus

I didn't take the comment too much to heart either. My reply was very much tongue in cheek. There are not too many things that i take that seriously!! I should have used a smiley

....stan

 

[groche]

Hi Aveca,
not sure that we're talking about the same thing. I wasn't complaining about American Standard for American Aussies in America, but in an admirable attempt to form an International Aussie club, those responsible have 'claimed' your Standard for our birds and those of Aussie lovers in non-American parts of the world. Surely if there are valid reasons for different standards in different parts of the world this should be accepted by an International breed club. Plus, if I was starting an international RIR club, I wouldn't dream of claiming the Australian Standard as the international Standard for your bird!
I'm not totally ignorant re American history and geography. I was just using a cliche to show that I wasn't wanting to be taken too seriously. Glad I didn't really upset Stan as I was really only paying him a compliment on his good birds. Glad we've got that sorted. I guess sometimes we need to be aware of differing senses of humour!

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

We have been a bit busy of late. I have almost a thousand unopened emails. Looked at the important ones (wife, school etc). Maggie is not a big online person. Her computer will not support the new BYC. Many of the North American Australorp breeders are not on BYC or online anywhere. It takes time to rebuild a dead breed club. Perhaps it should have been named the North American Australorp fanciers. Both Canada and the USA accept the American Standard of Perfection. We fully understand the differences between the various countries standards. Most exhibition breeders in North America do not discuss changing the Standard. Its like concrete: its all mixed up and permenantly set.

Chet,
it's great to hear that you're willing to have another go at starting up a club and I think an international one could be a terrific sharing forum. I posted some suggestions on this thread and asked for Maggie to make contact. Received no response from she or Jim. Went to the site and read the manifesto. Must confess to a sudden urge to take to the streets with a U.S. flag and a cigarette lighter! When did the American Standard become the International Standard for an Australian- designed chook???!!! Grrrr!!!! Lost me, folks! There are unfortunately different Standards for the same breed in different parts of the world which can be confusing. This may be understandable historically, as Standards reflect available bloodlines as well as differing 'taste' in the showring. eg. you have good Utility Aussie lines but, lacking our 'Exhibition blood, you are having to develop it yourselves. Go tigercreek!
Cheers Geoff from Aus

Sorry Stan,
only meant that I really like what you're doing with your Aussies. Never meant to imply that you were responsible for the 'Yankee Imperialism'! Wasn't being that serious anyway. I'm sure Jim just did a bit of a cut and paste in a hurry from an American breed. I was disappointed that the Maggie person deemed me unworthy of any response, however.
Cheers Geoff from Aus

Hi Aveca,
not sure that we're talking about the same thing. I wasn't complaining about American Standard for American Aussies in America, but in an admirable attempt to form an International Aussie club, those responsible have 'claimed' your Standard for our birds and those of Aussie lovers in non-American parts of the world. Surely if there are valid reasons for different standards in different parts of the world this should be accepted by an International breed club. Plus, if I was starting an international RIR club, I wouldn't dream of claiming the Australian Standard as the international Standard for your bird!
I'm not totally ignorant re American history and geography. I was just using a cliche to show that I wasn't wanting to be taken too seriously. Glad I didn't really upset Stan as I was really only paying him a compliment on his good birds. Glad we've got that sorted. I guess sometimes we need to be aware of differing senses of humour!

 

[groche]

Hi Jim,
the important bit of your post here is the bit after "Perhaps...". The current title of your club is misleading and gives the impression of arrogance from the American end. It is a fact that the American Standard is NOT recognised by anyone as the international one! I've never suggested that you should change your Standard for American Aussies. Good luck with your club as it's still a good, if limited, idea.
Cheers Geoff from Aus

 

[aveca]

i knew you were using your version of humor...like stan i should have used a smiley face...as i was kidding too, thou i did find the match to flag not so funny.....if anyone should write an international standard for australorp, it should be australia..this same argument is presented by orpington people...england invents a bird called an orpington, america works on a version of that, then acts like they own it and despise actual import orpingtons like despising your grandfather.. i always found the argument extreamly strange.. so its a preview of how things would go if aussies were imported....im not sure if its fear? or what ..i just find it strange..whenever i hear the same old SOP argument, it goes through my mind....um, you didnt invent this breed.there are some groups working peacefully away at this and doing a great job..and just in case you missed anything, where have you been? america is amazingly arrogant..more like they dont think things through or listen to other sides befor making an informed decision..bull headed..but good people..they are loving giving people who would give the shirts off thier backs to somone in need..but sometimes can be just a little ignorant...just present the ideas , make a good case for how you australians would like to see an international if it ever happened.....

Hi Aveca,
not sure that we're talking about the same thing. I wasn't complaining about American Standard for American Aussies in America, but in an admirable attempt to form an International Aussie club, those responsible have 'claimed' your Standard for our birds and those of Aussie lovers in non-American parts of the world. Surely if there are valid reasons for different standards in different parts of the world this should be accepted by an International breed club. Plus, if I was starting an international RIR club, I wouldn't dream of claiming the Australian Standard as the international Standard for your bird!
I'm not totally ignorant re American history and geography. I was just using a cliche to show that I wasn't wanting to be taken too seriously. Glad I didn't really upset Stan as I was really only paying him a compliment on his good birds. Glad we've got that sorted. I guess sometimes we need to be aware of differing senses of humour!

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

But who would accept an "international" standard for the breed. North America has the SOP. UK has theirs etc. None will change their standard. We have already seen that with the imported Orpingtons here.