Autism and pesticieds!

[dntd]

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/ddt-like-pesticides-linked-to-autism-study-suggests.html
http://www.pesticide.org/hhg/autism.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=autism-rise-driven-by-environment
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/574799
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061107/brain_chemicals_061107/20061107?hub=Health
Just a few links on research done on the link between autism and pesticides, of course autism isn't like having a broken arm......

for my son his seems to be getting worse as he's getting older, you can't have a back and forth conversation, he can't play with kids alone and above all he can't pay attention enough in class so his school has no idea how to grade him as he has the information he just can't put it on paper. Of course the disruptive,distructive,behaviors have also gotton worse as he picks up everything, he just has to hear something once and he repeat the whole conversation!He's considered high fuctioning( aspergers) and has all the other problems that go hand and hand( adhd,ocd,torettes,sensory intergration)

 

[redhen]

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Ya got your hands full there...

 

[dancingbear]

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There ya go, all kinds of info for back-up.

I'm so sorry you and your son are having such a difficult time. I have a good friend who's son has Tourette's, and I know he has some other things going on as well. OCD, for sure, and some phobias, who knows what else. He's in his 30's, now, sort of a cross between Adrian Monk, and that character Brad Pitt played in "12 Monkeys", if you saw that. With some whooping, yelling, and other odd ticks thrown in. He's a sweet guy though, his mom and I had been friends forever, I used to bounce him on my knee when he was 6 years old. Now he has all this going on. He can't work. He can barely read. He's not mentally retarded, he's very sharp, really, but you have to know him, to realize that. He's very shrewd about reading people, he can tell BS in a heartbeat. Maybe because he's very up-front about things, himself.

 

[cassie]

Too many people, including many who should know better, do not seem to know the difference between causation and correlation. Just because two things occur at the same time, it does not necessarily mean that one caused the other.

 

[PurpleChicken]

Pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, and VACCINES are all overused and simultaneously we have huge increases in cases of autism, asthma, and countless other diseases. While hysteria is not usually a productive way of solving problems it does motivate the public to look deeper.

I've read reports linking all of these things to one another and then reports that show no correlation. The most important thing is we are having the conversation which may lead to real scientific discoveries. I'm a bit disheartened to see the debate here rather than the usual productive conversations we have about these subjects.



Kudos to Katy for bringing up the parks and lawn issue. We do use more chemicals on our lawns than our farms use for food production. That's just stupid.

 

[annanicole18]

My husband owns a lawn care company and he just shakes his head when he sees these huge companies treating lawns with tanks in the back of trucks. A. The active killing ability of the product in those tanks is gone within three hours of the sunlight that they are in. So people are paying to have there lawn treated with dead chemicals. B. They hose down the entire yard which is not the proper way to treat it my husband uses a 4 gallon backpack sprayer to treat 1+ acre lawns refilling at every house except for the ones that are close enough that the product will still be viable. These people are treating 1/4 acre lawns all day with the same crap. But alas it is the parents fault for not heeding the flag at their mailbox that says keep of lawn chemicals have been applied. nowadays anything and everything is linked together.

 

[Wifezilla]

Just because two things occur at the same time, it does not necessarily mean that one caused the other.

Exactly.


Also a quick trip in the way-back machine...
I am from Northern Wisconsin originally. Back in the day, the rivers and streams were waste dumps. Every factory just dumped all their toxins and garbage directly in to the water. People fished in those waters and ate the fish

Industrial plants did not have those scrubber smoke stacks. They just belched pollutants in the air. There was NOT an autism explosion for people living in that chemical soup environment. Other diseases, YES, but not autism.

Go back even further to the dawn of the industrial revolution. Coal dust blankets everything. People are exposed to lead and mercury. People get sick, but there isn't an autism epidemic.

To me there is no connection between a "toxic environment" and autism.

It is something else that has happened in the last 30-40 years...the time period where our environment has gotten A LOT CLEANER.​

 

[PurpleChicken]

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That is sort of an argument I use when people say we are destroying our environment. In a lot of ways we are but in more ways we are cleaning things up. Here in CT the rivers are much cleaner and the the Long Island Sound is almost clear. That's a positive thing.

What is clear to me however is the complexity of the chemicals we use. 40 years ago the pesticides were simpler, deadly, but simpler. Today the chemical composition and complexity is VERY different and there are THOUSANDS of different chemicals, each with the own brand name and patents. Then there is the synergistic possibilities, as someone mentioned.

The reality is there may be one or two newer common chemicals that some women are more sensitive too that are causing Autism and many other diseases. It may be that simple. I'm not saying this is the cause I'm just saying this for conversational purposes. We need to keep our minds open yet not jump at every new hypothesis.

In my opinion the vaccines we are loading our children with are a terrible problem. Even the flu vaccines we take as adults are causing untold harm to people.

I'm not going to even get into the thousands of new pharmaceuticals or preservatives we use in our foods.

I wonder what we will say as we look back in 20, 30, or 100 years.

 

[Ferrret]

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This x 1000.
Numerous times in all of my Psych classes (where a lot of correlational studies are brought up) we had the prof explain time and again the difference between correlation and causation, and some people still didn't get it.

As for Autism and possible causes, doctors plain and simply still don't know. They have learned so much about Autism in the past 10 years and still are only at the tip of the iceberg that it is. What they do know is how to identify the signs of Autism earlier and more effectively, therefore diagnosing more children who would have otherwise been labeled 'a bad child.'

To say that a parent is just using Autism as an excuse for not being a parent may not be quite so justified. The parent may have had their child tested and they are mildly autistic and the parent has no idea, or no will to properly deal with their child.
The issue across the board is 'My child is SPECIAL, so they are never in the wrong' kind of attitude some parents have. 'My kid has a 4.0 GPA, they couldn't have been drinking and driving.' 'My boy is the star football player, of course he didn't molest that girl.' 'My daughter is Manic Depressive, she isn't to blame for her actions.'
Yes, your kiddo is special to you, but that does not make them infallible as no person is completely without fault.

Personally I think a much bigger problem is the over protective, anti bacteria/virus nature we have as a society gotten ourselves into. Our insane need to be in a super sterile environment is breeding super bugs, making us more susceptible to infectious illness and more paranoid about everything we come into contact with.
Johnny's home from his play date? Well kiddo, hop in the decontamination chamber and put your clothes into the incinerator chute. We'll hose you down with cleaners and then you can come in and get your broad spectrum antibiotic pills.

 

[geebs]

No problem - but that's not autism and there is no proof of a link of any sort between pesticides and autism.

If that [pesticides & ADHD] was really the point you wanted to make in your first post then that is the point you should have made

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The leading autism specialists in the world believe ADHD is misdiagnosed autism... There's your link...


Ferritt whahoo... well put X 2​