Awesome Genetic info on Buttons and Coturnix Quail!

[Bossroo]

You are taking genetic material from one secies and combining it with another's that does not occur in Nature. Some scientists are taking gentic material from one species and combining it with another's. Many here are vigorously aposed to that practice and claim that that creates Frankenstines and doom to our food suply. So, what is the difference here?

 

[monarc23]

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what? It's not dooming THEIR food supply, if anything it'd be dooming MINE. But sorry to party poop ya but it won't (annnd normal people dont eat button quails LMAO)

This is even if the AI "breeding" works and if it doesn't oh well atleast I tried. If it does work, awesome, then I can see what a 'cotton' would look and act like and see how i'd like to breed it from there. It's just like with purebred dogs horses and cats, they started out mixing breeds together until it became IDEAL for whatever situation they were trying to achieve be it herd dog, lap dog, or guard dog and guess what they came up with a name for it and kept it pedigreed so they knew what was being bred to what. I just so happen to want to breed for color. They'll be called a hybrid because they will be a hybrid, they wont hurt the coturnix breed or the button quail breed because they'll have nothing to do with it after the first breeding..if i can't get the hybrids to breed together and produce fertile eggs then my experiement will be over. Ofcourse if it does work I will incorporate pure coturnix into the line to keep the generations going without dwindling down the genetic pool, AND in the process making it more coturnix. But still they'll still be a hybrid and won't hurt my coturnix line any. Just like if you had two different breeds of dogs you were breeding, you'd keep the "beagles" away from the "pomeranians" so nothing mixed.

By the way i know how it works (genetically) no need to explain, i wouldnt be doing it if i didn't understand.

And guess what...anyone who is *opposed* to it doesn't need to buy from me simple as that. Doesn't bother me any. I'm not selling them for profit anyhow...if I do sell any it's because I'll have excess and if no one wants them, well then din din time they go. Simple as a pimple.

As I said before, go complain to the ones who are hybridizing birds that are to be released not someone who's breeding highly domesticated birds that can't be released. Also as I said before too, coturnix and button quail were both produced by breeding subspecies together, hence there is no wild coturnix out there that's as variously interbred with other subspecies as the domesticated coturnix is, or that the button quail is. Hence why the button quails in australia have red eyes and it's rare to get button quails with dark eyes there...but here in the states it's rare to get red eyed button quail and dark eyed button quail are common here. What happened is that in australia the subspecies used there obviously had more from a red eyed subspecies than the ones that were imported into the US.

I dont tell you how to raise your birds (whatever they may be) don't tell me what to do with mine thank you!

 

[lowcountrypoultry]

Well said monarc23!

I see nothing wrong with doing this, and how do we know they won't breed naturally? When you think of it, they are VERY similar. And I think they have been linked before.

Dogs arn't supposed to breed with wolves, but it's been done. And some people charish that little bit of wolf thats in their dog.

Just like monarc said, theres no danger in this at all!

It's about as dangerous as mixing a RIR with a WLH which makes a hybrid thats what.. oh yeah its called a RED STAR! Tons of people own this hybrid, and they arnt fussing about it..

-Austin

 

[monarc23]

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very good example Austin

 

[lowcountrypoultry]

Thanks Niki!

Now back to talking about breeding them...

So it will only work with a blue breast button?

 

[monarc23]

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hehe i may be wrong, but are you getting a color confused with a species? If so let me try to unconfuse ya

Button quail (any color) are known by so many names it's crazy

to name a few:
King Quail
Pygmy Quail
Chinese Painted Quail
and Blue Breasted Quail

they are all the same species just all these different countries had different ways to name them and they all seem to have stuck...

As for colors theres a "blue face" button quail they're pretty, but the wild button quail color is even prettier (in my oppinon) they are a brilliant blue i dunno if you have any but they are very prettya ll these bold colors the blue is most striking and that's why soem know them as "blue breasted" and that's also why the scientific community calls them that as the wild colored ones the males are a gorgeous blue breasted with red etc.

So you can breed ANY color of button quail to any color coturnix quail according to the scientific genetic study. My goal is to try and get the wild color into coturnix (so i can get that pretty blue in them).

Does that answer your question? If not let me know I'll try to understand what you're asking better

 

[lowcountrypoultry]

I get it!

Thanks!

Now would you AI the CQ Female, or the Button Female?

 

[monarc23]

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I dunno i've been wondering that myself. I *THINK* if i can figure out how to collect from a male button quail i'd rather a coturnix hen lay the egg. The reason im thinking that is because if I collect from a male coturnix and AI a female button, my concern is chick size opposed to egg size...meaning what if the chick needs to hatch too early because it's outgrown the egg but isnt done developing yet? I might try both methods to see

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[lowcountrypoultry]

True. This is so eggciting!

Btw.. what color coturnix are you going to have next spring?

 

[monarc23]

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Well after tomorrow I'll have A & M's, and Tuxedos

I alread have browns in Jumbo and Pharoah (but im not separating the pharoahs from the jumbos because i have more jumbos than pharoahs, so im breeding for just jumbos).

Goldens

British Range (tibetans)

and im working on a new pattern but i dont know how it will go "white shouldered browns" i have a few browns that have 1-3 white feathers on their shoulders (where their wings bend) Im going to put a few A & Ms in with them and hope that the recessive trait moves in on the shoulder of the browns and makes more white so they can have distinctive white shoulders. It would be a new pattern if it breeds true and I'll call them "white shouldered browns"

Each color will be separated in their own pens so the color will breed true...the only ones that i don't know what i'll get is my experiment of the "white shouldered browns" everything else will breed true.

Ya gotta love genetics