BAMA/mottled . What color will he Be? UPDATE on color

[KKluckers]

I have some whites Julie. I could send you eggs in the spring.

 

[herechickchick]

Julie have you tried to get in touch with a LF Mottled Cochin breeder? There are some in the USA and they might be able to help you. You obviously would have to breed out the feathered shanks but that should not be difficult.

 

[KKluckers]

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I know Jamie Matts the APA judge has some.

 

[herechickchick]

Thats great. I think a simpler way to create some of the other colors like the Silver Laced, the Gold laced and the Mottled would be to cross to the cochins and breed out the feathered shanks. Christina correct me if I am wrong but the Orpington has cochin in its makeup. I think the reason Wyandottes were used in England is because they do not have all of the LF Cochin colors like we do, especially the silver laced. Someone chime in if I am wrong.

 

[BamaChicken]

Hey I am about to leave and not be on board for a few days so just to let you know I did not abandom this thread.
KK I would be interested in some white and someone who has Mottled Cochins LF. I haven't seen them in LF. Let me know I will check into it. God Bless.

 

[herechickchick]

See ya later Julie!

 

[KKluckers]

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Cochin blood is believed to be used in the Orpington LF in England. I think that is what gives them all their cushion. If you look at some of the pictures of the birds in England they look a lot like Cochin's without leg feathers. The leg feather should take a few generations to breed out. It is something you'll get as a throw back even after a few generations, but you just cull for that. LF Lanshans were used in the development of the Orpington and they have leg feathers.

Julie I'll send you some when the pullet begin to lay.

There is a gal in Oregon that has awesome Cochin LF and I think she was trying to get Mottled from Jamie, I can check with her too.

 

[tadkerson]

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If you crossed the original female (she is black now) with a black male and the male in the picture is an offspring of the cross, then you are not dealing with mottling. Mottling is a recessive gene. The mutation you have in your birds is a dominant gene. I have not seen any literature that describes the phenotypic expression (what the bird looks like) in your birds.

Hutt described and analyzed a gene he called erminette that would look similar to yours but he did not say anything about the birds turning black with age. It could be that he never kept the birds long enough for them to turn black.

Birds that are mottled go white with age and mottled chicks have the penguin pattern in their down. Erminette birds as chicks have a cream down color with black spots in the down.

My first impression was that the birds were heterozygous (split) for dominant white. It may be that the gene that causes the color is found at the same locus (position on the chromosome) as dominant white.

What crosses have you made and how many birds of each variety did you produce?

What was the chick down color of the female and Bama? Were they both solid black?

What did you cross to produce the original female?


If I had the female, I would

1. I would cross the female with a black male and produce plenty of chicks at least 20 or more.

2. Then cross the siblings to see what segregates from the crossing. Again you would have to produce 20 or more chicks.

3. I would also cross the female with a male white leghorn to see if there is any relationship between the dominant white gene and the unknown gene in your birds.


Tim

 

[Chickndaddy]

Oh I can't wait until Julie gets back to answer all your questions. Genetics is fascinating isn't it?

 

[herechickchick]

Julie, Tim has questions for you and we are dying to know what you are going to do next.