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[duckluck]

I looked the first duck up in my book yesterday and I would definitely say he is a Khaki. I'd have to go back and look, but I am pretty sure they should never have a neck ring, so I don't know what to say about the other one. He's cute, and the only DQ listed for Khaki was a yellow bill, but I am pretty sure they wouldn't want him with a neck ring at a show. But hey, take him anyway and see what they say!

 

[fowlman01]

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Call duck eggs from exhibition Calls are very difficult to hatch. Many times I use broody chickens.

Walt

 

[purplefrog]

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Some one else said the ringed necked one could possibly be considered a butter? Or pastel??
On the Khaki,, his bill is more greenish than being seen in the photo. I am considering taking the Khaki for sure to play with.

 

[duckluck]

Not a Butter. What color is his head? It looks midnight blue again from here...is it also brown? Because if so, pastel males have medium to light blue heads, generally speaking, and more mallard patterning that he doesn't have. I see he has some white under his bill and it looks like a teensy bit on the back of his head, so it looks like he might have some pied type markings trying to show. I wouldn't call him either of those, though, because the white is not complete enough.

The first guy looks like a straight up enough Khaki that I would look for a Khaki female to try him with and see what they produce; the second guy, not sure what he has going on in his colors. Right now I'd just think of him as a Khaki with markings he ought not have that are probably a throwback to something else. It makes him a colorful duck and a cute pet though!

 

[karabbitry]

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Thanks,,, is the ringed brother a Khaki as well??? I ordered the book that was mentioned on call duck variaties. I hope it can clear up some of this and I will know what to look for before jumping in.

Any ideas what to feed them to get alittle more weight on the breast area? I am thinking of showing at least the mystery drake as a Khaki in about 2 weeks. Might get laughed at by the club members..... LOL

If I had to guess I would say that the second drake with the white is showing partially formed pied genes. I have a pair of blue duskies that are carriers of the pied gene. My blue fawn drake shows a slight white area around his neck and has a small white patch under his chin.

My pair are capable of producing fully pied birds in the range of pencilled, blue pencilled as well as fawn and white.

That is my take on what these birds are. I do agree that they are most likely khaki calls. There certainly is no pastel/butterscotch/appleyard in there!

Anthony

 

[Robert Blosl]

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Call duck eggs from exhibition Calls are very difficult to hatch. Many times I use broody chickens.

Walt

Boy did you say a mouth full Walt. Many get into call ducks and are out of them in two years. I have a freind who bought two pairs for $100 each thats $400. for the ducks plus at least $100. for shiping if not more. He hatched two little ducks. All of the eggs died in the shell.

In two years he is out of Calls.

These are the top strains in the Coutnry type ducks. If they have short bills and wide and short little legs and are coby in breed type they are hard to hatch. Most people try to hatch the eggs in a chicken incubator. When you look at the air cells they are to small and they drown in their shells.

I started using a old fashion Lehy Wooden Red Wood Incubator and this improved my hatches alot. I then built me a 20x20 inch wooden incubator out of some old Red Wood I found and they hatched even better in them last year. I also have six Bil Bowman Buff Brahma bantam females who I bribe to go broody for me. I leave ten eggs in their nest all the time. They make the best hatchers. I spray the eggs at night with a spray bottle a trick I learned from Mr. Oakford from Wisc.

Also, that the beginning. You have to have a real good brooder box where the little ducks dont get wet in the first two weeks.

Once they get a month old and start to feather you are out of the woods.

Why do some people have better luck than my friend?

They have pet quality call ducks with long bills and they can get out of the egg so much easyer.

I told a beginner the other day he would be better off starting out with white plymouth rock bantams then learn how to breed for type. Improve you skills in hatching and brooding then after four years go to buffs or partridge and you have the skills to breed for type then raise them with ease and then learn how to breed for color.

I did this with white calls. I leanred how to get them to hatch then get them to live to four weeks. Then in four years I got rid of them and got the gray calls. I have asked to locate articles on how to breed for color. Have not found one article so I am just going to invest two more years in breeding for the tug boat type I want and then once I get this type fixed I will start mating the birds for female or male color. I think I am 60 % there on how to do it but it maybe in two more years I will figure out a few more clues. I think it is a double mating type deal. Breed from super colored females and use males that come from other super colored females that have nice pencilling when they are young drakes. These males are not going to be show males as they will have faults in thier color but I think its this kind of male mated to a good penciled female that will produce a female line like Daphne Mays had years ago.

Of all the threads on this web site. Rasiing bantam ducks will be the most tested and skilled format in Poultry that you will ever take on.

It is not for beginners whit a syafoam incubator who just go started. bob

 

[purplefrog]

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Thank you duckluck! I will take the first one and try him at a show and see. He is the nicest one of the two in type anyways. They are just to darn cute no matter what happens!

 

[fowlman01]

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Call duck eggs from exhibition Calls are very difficult to hatch. Many times I use broody chickens.

Walt

Boy did you say a mouth full Walt. Many get into call ducks and are out of them in two years. I have a freind who bought two pairs for $100 each thats $400. for the ducks plus at least $100. for shiping if not more. He hatched two little ducks. All of the eggs died in the shell.

In two years he is out of Calls.

These are the top strains in the Coutnry type ducks. If they have short bills and wide and short little legs and are coby in breed type they are hard to hatch. Most people try to hatch the eggs in a chicken incubator. When you look at the air cells they are to small and they drown in their shells.

I started using a old fashion Lehy Wooden Red Wood Incubator and this improved my hatches alot. I then built me a 20x20 inch wooden incubator out of some old Red Wood I found and they hatched even better in them last year. I also have six Bil Bowman Buff Brahma bantam females who I bribe to go broody for me. I leave ten eggs in their nest all the time. They make the best hatchers. I spray the eggs at night with a spray bottle a trick I learned from Mr. Oakford from Wisc.

Also, that the beginning. You have to have a real good brooder box where the little ducks dont get wet in the first two weeks.

Once they get a month old and start to feather you are out of the woods.

Why do some people have better luck than my friend?

They have pet quality call ducks with long bills and they can get out of the egg so much easyer.

I told a beginner the other day he would be better off starting out with white plymouth rock bantams then learn how to breed for type. Improve you skills in hatching and brooding then after four years go to buffs or partridge and you have the skills to breed for type then raise them with ease and then learn how to breed for color.

I did this with white calls. I leanred how to get them to hatch then get them to live to four weeks. Then in four years I got rid of them and got the gray calls. I have asked to locate articles on how to breed for color. Have not found one article so I am just going to invest two more years in breeding for the tug boat type I want and then once I get this type fixed I will start mating the birds for female or male color. I think I am 60 % there on how to do it but it maybe in two more years I will figure out a few more clues. I think it is a double mating type deal. Breed from super colored females and use males that come from other super colored females that have nice pencilling when they are young drakes. These males are not going to be show males as they will have faults in thier color but I think its this kind of male mated to a good penciled female that will produce a female line like Daphne Mays had years ago.

Of all the threads on this web site. Rasiing bantam ducks will be the most tested and skilled format in Poultry that you will ever take on.

It is not for beginners whit a syafoam incubator who just go started. bob

Call ducks and bantam Cornish are the hardest to raise good ones from....or to even get anything to hatch Bob. You are right about the pet quality Calls...they hatch like popcorn. Broody chickens work the best for me and if I can keep them alive for a week I know they will be fine. I sometimes bring them into the house where I can keep an eye on them. The wife is not thrilled about that, but she shows dogs and I have seven dogs to deal with right now, so she keeps the uneasy truce....hahaha redwood incubators also do a decent job.

Walt

 

[linda_zeagler31002]

, Wow well done Bob and Walt, well I bought Cochin and Silkie they told me these were broody chickens, and them sap suckers have not went broody since last spring, and I hauled there butts to the sale last Saturday, (that was another mouth not doing it's job gone now), I actually started with White calls, (on pair didn't lay a single egg in 2 yrs) and your right, oh to heavens sake, I like to have been put in a straight jacket, the hen started setting on the her first clutch of 4 eggs and about 2 weeks before hatch she just up and decided she was tired of sitting in her nest all day and wanted to get back out in the action, I called all around the world literally, a $300 phone bill to get advice on how to save my babies, read for hours and days on end, on the internet and books, and was scared to death, to do what experts told me, but here it goes, I took the eggs put in the incubator, I didn't add no water to the incubator, I sprits the eggs by hand with warm tepid distilled water three times a day, I candled them daily to make sure they were busy moving, and watched for the little veins to start drying up and watch for there little bills to come to the end of the large end of the egg(the duck to turn and position for birth), the air sac and make sure they didn't get into any distress fighting to get out, well how do you know that baby is fighting to get out, HMMMM, oh I couldn't stand it, I thought I was going to have to put those eggs under my pillow with me at night. I was up checking them every 2 hours, my nerves was SHOT!! So, then there was the little bill down in the large end of the egg, and looked to me like pecking but not getting no where, so I called my husband made him get off work and fly home, and we plugged in a electric heater, got the room so hot we like to have passed out, but didn't want my babies cold or the egg to get temperature shock, and we candled the egg to see where his or her little bill was and we took a wood screw, and gently, and stressed, and cautiously, tapped away at that spot and then took tweezers, and picked a micro crumb of egg shell at a time until finally we could see the little bill, now we knew they could breathe, 3 eggs the same way, (hatched one to soon of the 4 and lost it) we waited and waited 2-days well we went in after them with those tweezers, a micro egg shell at the time, and hand hatched them 3 gourgeous white call hen babies, and I haven't been able to hatch another, until this week I am the proud mommy of a blue magpie and another pee wee of I forgot who's egg, (laughing),

I have cried, and screamed, I have done ever thing the experts say to do, and I have come to terms with the call duck species, and your right Bob and Walt it is the duck species breed within itself, I firmly beleive this now, but learning is the hardest thing to do, and failure the hardest thing to except, but after felling over 300 eggs, (listening to many experts advice, and not to help them out because there is a gentic flaw if it don't hatch, and will ruin your starter flock)(well what ever to that is all I will say, I want dump another incubator of eggs waiting for the duck to hatch and die I BET THAT) something has got to give this year, my nerves can't take another last 2 springs, I again will be in a straight jacket committed, I spoke with Daphine Mays this morning, she now resides in Alaska, but orignialy I figured the reason she got out of her well established call breeder expert and call duck business after making a name with reputation in the call breeder world for herself, was a nervous break down, but now that I have spoken with her I know different, and I don't feel like a failure finally today!!

and I am going to keep up my breeding program and do some rearranging with some breeding technique's to get these call babies under control and I am not going to have a nervous breakdown

so, I am glad and so very thankful to you BOB for starting this forum page, and you call breeders with those established names, well look out Linda is going to kick up some dust and catch up with you guys!!

I ain't going to tell you though my secret weapon or strategy, (laughing), but will share all the hatching knowledge as I improve, grow and learn with this forum board and good luck this spring to all the call breeders and new call members.

Here are them babies I brought into the world like a mother's child from her own womb, they were feathering in this photo

I purchased my orginal 2 pair and will not throw no names out there because that is not professional nor courtious, but when they arrived by mail, the 2 drakes wing feathers were to my unbeilf damaged, mutalated, and I called the seller/breeder and he stated the night before shipping the two drakes had escaped there pen and he found them in a bucket of old burned motor oil, but bathed them and had cleaned them up, with alot of tender love and care the finally shed the damaged feathers and turned out to replace those damaged feathers with some beautiful feathers.

I really want to work on improving my flock of East Indies in the above picture and here below is my latest babies hatched and that is it for me today, I got to get my butt to Algebra class OH, the next picture is of my lastest delivery and yes they are dirty ran got them out of there buddy play room to show some quick pictures, from Eric Olson flock and ERIC thank you for everything my new friend and later every one:

The new babies, and had cleaned there storage box to take pictures and bathed them and 10 min to prepare and they were mulky mess again and these are the mircle babies, we lost power for 3 days and it was cold as alaska, and I did nothing to the incubators, but leave them closed the whole time:

Yeah I know that chicks but they were mircle babies in one of the 3 incubators going that hatched also, okay got to get to class later everyone

 

[linda_zeagler31002]

Fowlman, I don't know if this is what your looking for or if it will help you, but wanted to share it just incase, and alot of times I don't understand some of the terminolgy the forum user types or exactly what they are looking for or needing, so please excuse my deep southern country butt, if I don't understand some questions or needs, someone shared this on the forum the other day and I thought it was real interesting, but if it is not what your searching for explain to me a little more in detail what you research your looking for, I am a google and research fanatitic (laughing).

http://www.breedbook.org/

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Boy did you say a mouth full Walt. Many get into call ducks and are out of them in two years. I have a freind who bought two pairs for $100 each thats $400. for the ducks plus at least $100. for shiping if not more. He hatched two little ducks. All of the eggs died in the shell.

In two years he is out of Calls.

These are the top strains in the Coutnry type ducks. If they have short bills and wide and short little legs and are coby in breed type they are hard to hatch. Most people try to hatch the eggs in a chicken incubator. When you look at the air cells they are to small and they drown in their shells.

I started using a old fashion Lehy Wooden Red Wood Incubator and this improved my hatches alot. I then built me a 20x20 inch wooden incubator out of some old Red Wood I found and they hatched even better in them last year. I also have six Bil Bowman Buff Brahma bantam females who I bribe to go broody for me. I leave ten eggs in their nest all the time. They make the best hatchers. I spray the eggs at night with a spray bottle a trick I learned from Mr. Oakford from Wisc.

Also, that the beginning. You have to have a real good brooder box where the little ducks dont get wet in the first two weeks.

Once they get a month old and start to feather you are out of the woods.

Why do some people have better luck than my friend?

They have pet quality call ducks with long bills and they can get out of the egg so much easyer.

I told a beginner the other day he would be better off starting out with white plymouth rock bantams then learn how to breed for type. Improve you skills in hatching and brooding then after four years go to buffs or partridge and you have the skills to breed for type then raise them with ease and then learn how to breed for color.

I did this with white calls. I leanred how to get them to hatch then get them to live to four weeks. Then in four years I got rid of them and got the gray calls. I have asked to locate articles on how to breed for color. Have not found one article so I am just going to invest two more years in breeding for the tug boat type I want and then once I get this type fixed I will start mating the birds for female or male color. I think I am 60 % there on how to do it but it maybe in two more years I will figure out a few more clues. I think it is a double mating type deal. Breed from super colored females and use males that come from other super colored females that have nice pencilling when they are young drakes. These males are not going to be show males as they will have faults in thier color but I think its this kind of male mated to a good penciled female that will produce a female line like Daphne Mays had years ago.

Of all the threads on this web site. Rasiing bantam ducks will be the most tested and skilled format in Poultry that you will ever take on.

It is not for beginners whit a syafoam incubator who just go started. bob

Call ducks and bantam Cornish are the hardest to raise good ones from....or to even get anything to hatch Bob. You are right about the pet quality Calls...they hatch like popcorn. Broody chickens work the best for me and if I can keep them alive for a week I know they will be fine. I sometimes bring them into the house where I can keep an eye on them. The wife is not thrilled about that, but she shows dogs and I have seven dogs to deal with right now, so she keeps the uneasy truce....hahaha redwood incubators also do a decent job.

Walt