Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[mrandmrschicken]

Did not know that. Also did not know the bantam standard was another book. I only have the APA sop and it has bantams listed in it. For the standard I know the Dutch (i am dutch) standard and have only dutch books and magazines. I understand the apa sop is the german version of these DUTCH birds. From what I heard, the bantam barnevelder was not recognized because they were not uniform enough at the meet. Have 12 pairs here today and they are producing very well, great fertility and hatchrates. They weigh around 2 1/4 lbs

Does Canada follow the American standards, or Great Britan's?

 

[Piet]

Does Canada follow the American standards, or Great Britan's?

Canada runs under the APA umbrella. Not sure why you thing great britan?? Barnevelders are a Dutch breed developep in the town of Barneveld. So the Dutch standard is what makes sense to me as that is what I have know since a kid. So I go by our own standard (original) and it looks as if the APA likes the birds that suit it. To Walt: thanks again for your great comments. It really means a lot to me, these two continental breeds run trough my blood and always will. Piet

 

[NYREDS]

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This pullet took reserve Continental in Alberta, Canada last weekend. Couple cockerels on the photo also, but picture is too dark to see color well. At least you see the type somewhat.

That pullet is lovely! They're rarely seen in this region & never seen looking like that.

 

[Happy Chooks]

The male is actually 1.5 times the size of the female - he is significantly larger than her. I will try to get pics today or over the weekend (have to work tomorrow).

Ah, that makes sense. I must have misread your post.

 

[scopechick]

Canada runs under the APA umbrella. Not sure why you thing great britan?? Barnevelders are a Dutch breed developep in the town of Barneveld. So the Dutch standard is what makes sense to me as that is what I have know since a kid. So I go by our own standard (original) and it looks as if the APA likes the birds that suit it. To Walt: thanks again for your great comments. It really means a lot to me, these two continental breeds run trough my blood and always will. Piet

Piet, do you have a copy of the Dutch standard that you could share or a link to where it could be found? I will ask my father in law to translate it for me if you do.

 

[Piet]

Piet, do you have a copy of the Dutch standard that you could share or a link to where it could be found? I will ask my father in law to translate it for me if you do.

Hi, just give me a couple days to clear possible copyright issues with authors in Holland. There is a real nice book on Barnevelder with lots of do and don't scenarios and history, sop etc. it has a short german translation in the back and also a short English. I would like to see the whole book printed in Dutch. We had an English version of the Dutch bantam club and they sold like hot cakes, nice hardcover books with super descriptions and breed technical issues. I really don't want to step on any toes here, but the main difference is the breast color on males of the double laced variety. Somehow in Germany they manage to have them, but do not know if they double mate. It is also copied into the APA standard. There should be NO reason to double mate Barnevelders. From my own experience having used German males, they will cause light shafting on the hens and is an absolute dealbreaker for us. Again, somehow they can do it in Germany it looks like, but don't know how. They battle color issues with hens and have showy males. However during Europa shows they can not beat the Dutch bred birds with excellent color, no shafting, no mossyness and clear/crisp lacing. Personally to have black breasted males as not desired, but permitted would already be a step forward instead of having it as a cut. Single laced breast feather with lighter shafts than the brown ground color should be faulted more so than a black breast. That is just my opinion from my own experience. Piet

 

[mrandmrschicken]

Canada runs under the APA umbrella. Not sure why you thing great britan?? Barnevelders are a Dutch breed developep in the town of Barneveld. So the Dutch standard is what makes sense to me as that is what I have know since a kid. So I go by our own standard (original) and it looks as if the APA likes the birds that suit it. To Walt: thanks again for your great comments. It really means a lot to me, these two continental breeds run trough my blood and always will. Piet

Simply because of GB's ties to Canada and my not knowing. I know GB has different type qualification with certain breeds that are not accepted here in the States. I don't know unless I ask.

 

[Piet]

Simply because of GB's ties to Canada and my not knowing.  I know GB has different type qualification with certain breeds that are not accepted here in the States.  I don't know unless I ask. 

Aha yes now it makes sense to me also, the British thing. I think the APA is one of the poultry associations in the world that is a good example of a well run association that adheres strict to high standards and the USA has a lot of breeds that many other countries would drool over and that says something about a system that is working well.

 

[mrandmrschicken]

Got a BB and RV for the 2 bantam Barnevelders shown here in Iowa City, Iowa ..... the only ones not surprisingly ... with a pullet and a cockerel.
As with any show, always good to see old and new friends. Had someone ask me about the Barnevelders which is a good reason to show them. To raise awareness.

 

[Pozees]

Finally snapped a few pics of the pair. I apologize in advance for my poor photography skills. My uneducated eye tells me the shape isn't there, so far I like them both but the cockerel especially seems to have a flat back as opposed to the concave shape I see in the standard. You can see in the photos of the two of them together the cockerel is quite a bit larger than the pullet. They are just about 4 months old. This first pic of the cockerel is especially poor, I just missed the right moment to show how flat his back is.