Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[Eissens]

Sure, why not?
I consider it worse, that dutch and german breeder crossed with Wyandottes!

To recreate the colour Silver Double Laced!
Not for improving shellcolour.

 

[pysankigirl]

I don't think that everyone here is obsessed with getting the darkest egg color possible. LOL
Dont judge an entire country based on just one or two people.

 

[Redcap]

And for blue double laced and Jubilee were used Wyandottes. For brown Barnevelder they have used New Hampshires.
These varieties are a shame regarding egg shell color, therefore I want to cross them with Marans.
That's not worthy to be called Barnevelder (from my silver double laced large strain).

 

[Happy Chooks]

Dutch Barnevelder eggs

 

[Redcap]

That's what they call the famous double-double coffee?? I would expect something like that


That's the minimum goal
http://forum.backyardpoultry.com/viewtopic.php?t=7967875

 

[Redcap]

Hans Schippers, the Barnevelder Pope wrote in "Breeds in Brief - Barnevelder", Fancy Fowl Vol. 16, 1996, page 4
Quote:

 

[Eissens]

Hans L. Schippers a Barnevelder Pope? That's very funny. Indeed he's writing articles in the Fancy Fowl Magazine, so that makes him a pope?
I wrote articles for the UK Welsummer Club, the Dutch Welsumerclub, the Dutch "small animals" magazine and Aviculture Europe, so what will I be.
He also interviewed me for an article about the Welsummer. He don't even know the difference between the legs of an hen and a rooster for this article
So everything that is written is true?
I have his book, special made for 100 year anniversary of the Barnevelder, and I read nothing about Marans. I read about Wyandotte, Langshan, Maleier, Cochin, Brahma and unknown local chickens. I was a member of the Dutch Barnevelder Club, never ever heard about Marans.

 

[Redcap]

Oh yes, he has mentioned it in his book aswell. ;-)
And the dutch poultry geneticist Arend Lourens Hagedoorn* did it in his book
Poultry breeding: Theory and practice, 1953, page 94
I could sell You this book and others to study the history of the Barnevelder.

*Hagedoorn created the Barnebars and Jubilee Barnevelder in the 1930s.

 

[Eissens]

"Around 1935 French Marans were used to improve the eggshell colour and production, but also to reinvigorate the breed. This was only partly succesful as the resulting colours were rather different from the standard and hence discontinued".
http://www.aviculture-europe.nl/nummers/13E01A03.pdf
@Redcap: So you are right saying they used the Marans in the past. But they quit with them and that is why they nowadays don't mentioned it, because it is totally not relevant.

Sorry, but this will be my last reply in this topic. I can not and will not discuss in a topic anymore with someone who thinks he alone has a monopoly on wisdom.
The Barnevelder has two goals: breeding for the production of brown coloured eggs and breeding for the appearance for the exhibitions. It is a challenge to combine this goals.
And he insulted the Dutch breeders in the creation of other double laced colour varieties by saying we lose the shell colour and ruin the breed.
For me that weighs heavily, because I personal know those people and their good intentions. They also take an eye on the shell colour, because that makes the breed famous.
I just think those other double laced colours are an enrichment to the poultry world.
People nowadays want something new. The Dutch Barnevelderclub has positively expressed it under the condition that only double laced Barnevelders may be created.
I show you all a picture of Dutch Barnevelder eggs. They are from an exhibition strain! (combine the two goals!)
So you skim all exhibition breeders over one ridge by saying they ruin the breed by breeding for exhibitions.
The Germans have no respect for any breed, they transformate every breed in the way they like it (for example the Orange, Silver, Blue partridge, Isabel partridge, cuckoo Welsummer)
In my opinion the American breeders have to follow the Dutch Barnevelder Standard. And I know there is someone over there who shares the same opinion. He has a very good strain in Canada and knows exactly what he is doing. Improve the breed by inbreeding en interbreeding. He does not feel burdened asking reputable Dutch breeders and judges for advice. An American Barnevelder Club is founded and that is the right way to go with this breed.
Good luck.

 

[Redcap]

To complete my sources ... obviously not the worst.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...ther-and-improve-the-breed/4320#post_12912245

In the same source "Animal Breeding", the development of Barnebars was already described,
but in the World Poultry Congress Reports, Hagedoorn (1936) has published two pictures.