Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[BusyBearMama]

They're 16 days old

 

[Featherlyadvice]

From what I know, you can tell by light colored chests being well defined for roos, pullets often get shoulder feathers first, and your possible roos seem to have bigger combs already. It's a guess at this stage, but if you take into account all 3 clues you can be close to 100%.

They're adorable!

 

[BusyBearMama]

From what I know, you can tell by light colored chests being well defined for roos, pullets often get shoulder feathers first, and your possible roos seem to have bigger combs already. It's a guess at this stage, but if you take into account all 3 clues you can be close to 100%.

They're adorable!

Thanks we accurately sexed all of our previous ones so we are hoping these guys are just as easy hopefully I have at least 3 girls

 

[Lady of McCamley]

I don't know if anyone can help me with my question...but here goes.

First off let me say that I am working with what I've got...and having fun doing it...but no, I wouldn't have necessarily chose to start this way....it just happened.

Barnevelders are very hard to find in my area, but last year I managed to purchase 2 at an exclusive feed store that I'm pretty sure came from Ideal.

As luck would have it, both were males. I kept the nicest looking one (the other had a funky comb). Barney (yeah, original, I know) has an extremely sweet temper and is excellent with his ladies, especially protecting the broodies with their chicks....so I kept him as my one and only roo....I love my Barney.

I already had Marans which lay about a 5 on the scale....one of which is a Splash Marans. (The other is a Black Copper Marans, which I'm not thrilled with as she lays the weirdest long pointy eggs).

Yup...couldn't resist....hatched some Barnevelder--Splash Marans because I knew I would get blue...got 3 lovely little chicks which are gorgeous blue-grey.

I don't know how dark Barney's egg line may be as none of his daughters are laying quite yet, although should be soon (to test him I've put him over my Cal Greys, Rhodebars, and of course Cream Legbars, all of which gave me some nice sex linked hybrids).

I understand Barney is double laced, and has been adding the nice brown background for the chipmunk sex linking.

I don't know what the greys will look like as to markings, but the Cream Legbar pullet (the other 3 were roos) has the appearance of a Barnevelder pullet at this early stage....dark background with gold penciling....hoping some lacing will show up, but I know that it will only have half the lacing pattern...incomplete? as only Barney has lacing.

Okay...long story to get to question....I'm pretty sure the Grey Splash-Marans/Barnevelders will have some lacing, probably black, if I breed those F1 daughters back to Barney...shouldn't I begin to see better lacing? I know F2 will produce 50% black and 50% grey.

What will F2 look like with those that are grey with then a complete set of double lacing....will I begin to see some grey with black double lacing occurring?

What will I have to add to the line to begin to turn that black lacing into silver on blue rather than the black on blue I'm expecting to get.

Thanks for any direction you can give me.
LofMc

 

[Double Laced]

Am I correct in thinking that you are trying to breed true barnevelders.

Using a legbars is a very bad idea as the crest is dominant as is the egg colour. Also barnevelder males are single laced and the ccl is barred. Barred hens line bred to a single male are more likely to produce a partridge type pattern.

In theory what you are trying is possible but in reality it probably isn't, the male will die before you breed enough generations.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Am I correct in thinking that you are trying to breed true barnevelders.

Using a legbars is a very bad idea as the crest is dominant as is the egg colour. Also barnevelder males are single laced and the ccl is barred. Barred hens line bred to a single male are more likely to produce a partridge type pattern.

In theory what you are trying is possible but in reality it probably isn't, the male will die before you breed enough generations.

Not true Barnevelders...just a hybrid with Barnevelder looking lacing pattern....although as I breed daughter back to father in (3?) generations they would become 7/8 Barnevelder.

And I'm not using Cream Legbars for this lacing project....I'm using my Barnevelder rooster over Splash Marans.

The Barnevelder over the Cream Legbar is an olive egg project....totally unrelated to this color pattern project (out of curiosity)....I'm also hoping to select for darkest egg color too with the Barny/Marans.

I hope that clarifies.
LofMc

 

[Double Laced]

Makes sense now. How close you get back to barnevelder depends on how good the male is to start with.

Do marans in the USA have feathery legs. It's a dominant trait. Also certain leg colours are dominant and you may not be able to reproduce the yellow legs of the barnevelder. Have you got a picture of him.

Barnevelders cross ccl do produce olive eggers if the barnevelder is from good brown egg stock.

 

[Featherlyadvice]

Purchased 4 "pullets" from a breeder 3 weeks ago. One is about 7 weeks, one is 5 weeks and 2 are a little over 3 weeks old. In the 2 younger ones, their combs all of a sudden turned red. I'm wondering if that means they will be roos. They are much redder than the two older barnevelders I have. Would anyone care to guess?
2 in question:

My two older that I believe to be pullets.

 

[Double Laced]

I would say the top 2 are boys. How did the breeder sex them?

 

[Double Laced]

And maybe even the last 1 as well