Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[Piet]

Finally snapped a few pics of the pair. I apologize in advance for my poor photography skills. My uneducated eye tells me the shape isn't there, so far I like them both but the cockerel especially seems to have a flat back as opposed to the concave shape I see in the standard. You can see in the photos of the two of them together the cockerel is quite a bit larger than the pullet. They are just about 4 months old. This first pic of the cockerel is especially poor, I just missed the right moment to show how flat his back is.

What breed are they supposed to be?? This is the Barnevelder thread.

 

[Pozees]

What breed are they supposed to be?? This is the Barnevelder thread.

Well that certainly tells me everything I needed to know. They are supposed to be Barnevelders.

 

[Piet]

The cockerel might be a Barnevelder, but of poor quality. The hen is something totally different and not a Welsummer either, although some may see some resemblences in color, but there are some big differences in color there too. Lacking the breed type also. Sorry, but please do not breed them. Where are you located? Should find you some better birds if you want to breed and show.

 

[Pozees]

The cockerel might be a Barnevelder, but of poor quality. The hen is something totally different and not a Welsummer either, although some may see some resemblences in color, but there are some big differences in color there too. Lacking the breed type also. Sorry, but please do not breed them. Where are you located? Should find you some better birds if you want to breed and show.

This pair was given to me by a local owner who had received them as chicks in August from a breeder in MD who said they were Barnevelders. She can't have males, she lives in the city.

This is a breed I do not have, do not know anything about, but accepted them to assist her and with hope of having a pair worth breeding, which has evidently not turned out to be the case. I am located in Pueblo, CO. To the best of my knowledge there is one other keeper in the state. I had no plans to breed Barnevelders, they just rather fell into my lap, and apparently they aren't even the breed named, so my guess is the breeder who sold them as Barnevelders sold this woman some sort of cross. At least they are fitting in well with the layer flock, although the pullet is still rather skittish. I appreciate your assessment, it will save me the trouble of trying to figure out whether I had something worth breeding.

 

[tls_ranch]

The cockerel might be a Barnevelder, but of poor quality. The hen is something totally different and not a Welsummer either, although some may see some resemblences in color, but there are some big differences in color there too. Lacking the breed type also. Sorry, but please do not breed them. Where are you located? Should find you some better birds if you want to breed and show.

This pair was given to me by a local owner who had received them as chicks in August from a breeder in MD who said they were Barnevelders.  She can't have males, she lives in the city.

This is a breed I do not have, do not know anything about, but accepted them to assist her and with hope of having a pair worth breeding, which has evidently not turned out to be the case.  I am located in Pueblo, CO.  To the best of my knowledge there is one other keeper in the state.  I had no plans to breed Barnevelders, they just rather fell into my lap, and apparently they aren't even the breed named, so my guess is the breeder who sold them as Barnevelders sold this woman some sort of cross.  At least they are fitting in well with the layer flock, although the pullet is still rather skittish.  I appreciate your assessment, it will save me the trouble of trying to figure out whether I had something worth breeding.

The "breeder" might not of known any better. If they came from hatchery stock, they could have Welsummer mixed into them yet were sold as " pure". Some hatcheries show pictures of the "Barnevelder" stock they sell and so called " Barnevelder" chicks that have " V" head markings. These mismarked chicks and adult stock are a common problem. They usually have very poor lacing, color and type. Some countries also have Barnevelders that are not based on " brown / eb", but again these tend to produce poorly patterned birds.

If you want to keep them as layers and backyard pets then no problem

Trisha

Edited to add: some people also unknowingly mix up Barnevelders with breeds like pencilled rocks, hatchery dark Cornish, Welsummers and Wyandottes. They don't recognize the difference

 

[Pozees]

The "breeder" might not of known any better. If they came from hatchery stock, they could have Welsummer mixed into them yet were sold as " pure". Some hatcheries show pictures of the "Barnevelder" stock they sell and so called " Barnevelder" chicks that have " V" head markings. These mismarked chicks and adult stock are a common problem. They usually have very poor lacing, color and type. Some countries also have Barnevelders that are not based on " brown / eb", but again these tend to produce poorly patterned birds.

If you want to keep them as layers and backyard pets then no problem

Trisha

Edited to add: some people also unknowingly mix up Barnevelders with breeds like pencilled rocks, hatchery dark Cornish, Welsummers and Wyandottes. They don't recognize the difference

These stories can be hard to track back and are sometimes flat lies, but what she told me was that her daughter purchased the chicks from someone in MD who had purchased breeding stock from someone in VA. No hatcheries were mentioned. Doesn't really mean a whole lot.

 

[Happy Chooks]

The pullet looks to be a Partridge Rock. The cockerel could be a barnevelder, but I'm betting he is a Partridge Rock.

 

[DiamondDust]

I did a quick search for pictures of Partridge Rocks and Happy Chooks is right on! It looks like you have a pair of Partridge Rocks, rather than Barnevelders. Both are dead ringers for the birds I found on my search, nice looking, but definitely Rocks, not Barnies. I'm sorry they aren't what you were told they are...but I think you got a lovely pair just the same! If you do decide to get Barnies one day you could start with hatching eggs from a reputable breeder...but in the mean time you can enjoy the breed you did get.

 

[Helen in the Desert]

Hi all.

I have to size down my flock and am selling off my Barnvelders. I have 4 hens, around 4yrs old - Vb stock and a blue cockerel out of TLS Ranch. The hens lay well and the hatch rate was good of those eggs I incubated this spring. Those chicks were mixes and were sold off as such to the neighbors. Just thought I would offer up these guys first to enthusiasts instead of the locals. I am out in the Palm Springs area of Southern California if anyone is interested.

Helen

 

[Rancher3535]

She looks like she could be a welsummer. She will lay or should lay a nice dark terracotta colored eggs almost as dark as a Marans. Or at least mine do.