Beginner making a small run and would love advice!

Anyad31

In the Brooder
Aug 6, 2024
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Hello!

Starting this out by saying that I have just a bit of knowledge of building and power tools from growing up with my dad who built everything on our property, but he passed away before I was really old enough to actually learn from him and I don't really have anyone else in my life who can help me out or teach me about this stuff. So here I am asking for internet folks to look over my building plans cause I'm just figuring things out as I go with a lot of googling!

So, I recently bought my first home which came with a shed already on the grounds. My plan is to renovate it into a small hobby chicken coop- for just a few birds- and would love to place an attached outdoor enclosure for them to safely graze and spend time outside. The space is limited since it's in town and not rural and has an uneven landscape next to some trees whose roots I would like to avoid damaging. The land in the back has a pretty steep hill and I have some concerns about water runoff affecting the base of any additions I make.

I've taken pictures of the area and drawn up some mock up plans that I would love to get some opinions on.
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Fig 1: In some areas there is around a 12"-13" difference in height between where the shed ends and where the ground is located. The red box indicates where the roots of the tree are close to the surface and I am hesitant to even that area out for fear of damaging the tree.

Fig 2: My plan is to get a 4'x8' dog run that I can then modify (with hardware cloth along the sides and underneath to prevent predators) and attach to the side of the shed. This would prevent the additional task of establishing poles and digging into the ground. Red drawings: I have some large, treated lengths of wood on the property that I am thinking of using as a makeshift retaining wall (secured with rebar into the ground) that could hold soil that gets backfilled into the space and tamped down for the dog run to sit on (any recommendations about substrate/drainage would be wonderful). I was also thinking about potentially putting a corrugated drainage pipe in a channel around the back of the kennel to reroute excess water from the back hill.

Fig 3: Additional scope of the topography of the area since it's hard to see in pictures.

Fig 4: Additional view of the prospective kennel with the wood retaining wall.

I've been looking into substrate and have been leaning towards coarse river sand, since I don't have enough property to have a big compost pile for when organic substrate eventually starts to decompose.

Any and all advice would be really helpful! I've tried reaching out to a few local farming organizations for advice but they keep passing me off to other groups so I'm hoping this works!

Thank you!
 
You said just a few birds which is good. With only 32sq feet of run space, I'd have no more than 3. Wood chips is best for drainage. I've never had to remove/compost my wood chips. I don't think you'd have to worry about that unless you do put more than 3 in such a small space. Using sheds for coop conversion is a great way to go in my opinion.
 
You said just a few birds which is good. With only 32sq feet of run space, I'd have no more than 3. Wood chips is best for drainage. I've never had to remove/compost my wood chips. I don't think you'd have to worry about that unless you do put more than 3 in such a small space. Using sheds for coop conversion is a great way to go in my opinion.
Yeah, my backyard doesn't have much room so I was only planning on 3-4 smaller breeds, but the shed is about 64sq feet and I'm planning on making quite a few windows to get more air circulation and light. Hopefully once I get the yard fenced I'll be able to let them out for some supervised free ranging
 
Glad to have you here! :welcome

What advice are you looking for? I think your plan is fine. Since there is a height difference in Fig. 1 I suggest using some concrete to even it out
Thanks! I'm mostly checking to see if I'm not overlooking anything obvious, or if people have recommendations on substrate, drainage, or leveling ideas. I grew up in a desert, so I'm used to planning things for heat , but now I'm in the PNW so we get quite a bit of rain for most of the year and I'm not used to thinking about planning chicken coops to deal with a lot of rain and runoff
 
I'm in the PNW
That's good info. I'd go with woodchips. I have River sand soil because my property if Riverfront but in my run I use woodchips. I also have a dog run like you're planning. I have not done the extra step of digging down and adding wire to keep digging predators out. I do lock up my girls every night in the coop and I've only lost 1 to a predator in 20years. I think your plans are looking good.
 
That's good info. I'd go with woodchips. I have River sand soil because my property if Riverfront but in my run I use woodchips. I also have a dog run like you're planning. I have not done the extra step of digging down and adding wire to keep digging predators out. I do lock up my girls every night in the coop and I've only lost 1 to a predator in 20years. I think your plans are looking good.
Thank you! that's really good to know! How often do you have to replace your woodchips?
 
The only advice I can give is to make it bigger than you think you need.
x2. The reality is even if your coop is generously sized, the birds will opt to spend most of their time out in the run and even 3 birds is a tight fit in that space, due to overall space plus the narrowness of it gives them no escape options if you end up having bullying issues. Occasional free range will not make up for that. More run space also means easier (and less) maintenance for you as you need litter volume to help absorb and compost poops.
 
x2. The reality is even if your coop is generously sized, the birds will opt to spend most of their time out in the run and even 3 birds is a tight fit in that space, due to overall space plus the narrowness of it gives them no escape options if you end up having bullying issues. Occasional free range will not make up for that. More run space also means easier (and less) maintenance for you as you need litter volume to help absorb and compost poops.
ah I didn't even think of bullying, but you're totally right
 

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