black meat breeds, silkies ect....

[bluenkimchi]

Oh well, would love to see some pics of all chicks as they grow

 

[Double Kindness]

I can oblige bluekimchi

 

[maranfarmer563]

I have a Cornish cockerel I plan on crossing on large silky hens and cemani pullet's. I want to compare growth and weights of the hybrids. All would be processed at around 12 weeks

 

[gloryblue]

Nice looking chicks Double Kindness..great cross would love to add these too.

Maranfarmer I was hoping to do something similar with cornish..though since I have three black silkie roosters I'd probably want to get a few cornish hens and have silkie roos over cornish hens..was even researching how to find breeders with the largest and tallest Malay...the breed that made the cornish...
I keep hearing that the best way to go for fm gene expression, is to have a strong fm rooster over the clear skinned or hybrid fm hens....resulting in better saturation of fm in the skin and meat...I'm having great results with this as it is strongly sex linked too...

Three hatches, no clear skinned pullets, every single pullet chick dark grey skinned or deep black skinned, incredibly few number of males to female ratio 3 males to 20 females...one of the 3 males fm, 100% fm females different fm intensity...most all black but some pullets coming in with dark brown ...I'm very surprised and pleased with this start of my black meat birds projects...

That one fm cockeral is now almost 5 months old purple and teal irridescence on deep black but coming in with brilliant orange in his hacckles and saddle feathers...already bigger than the standard size hens ...his daddy a black silkie rooster looks like a chick beside him.

I would love to be in a position later to share eggs trading with all who are working on these. Of course that's if any are interested as I work more on these fm projects.

Soon to be adding Ayam Cemani 90% to this project...and getting Smithies too....

No response from the Yeonsan Ogye chickens CL ad...I'd like to improve and preserve each type..but use them to add to the silkie x BQO / Auburn Javas...

Wish too that I could get some Kadaknath chickens too...it looks like only small flocks are being raised in small Indian farmsteads, limited to a small rural region. Wonderful heritage fm breed/landrace to preserve.

Double Kindness we talked about some of this, I'd love to be involved with your projects too.

 

[bluenkimchi]

DK,
They are looking nice. As they get bigger and older, they will look even nicer.

GB,
You know, you can make Cemani type birds from black Javas X Sumatras right? I'm not sure how to start, but remember reading something like that from "The Blackest One" thread, by Resolution.

 

[maranfarmer563]

I have a quad of young Malays,in fact two are housed with my cemani pullet's. The taller of my cemani boys may be able to breed them.

 

[Double Kindness]

I'd love to help with these projects. The 2 haffies that are orpington leaning in looks have pink skin. It was a black/white spangled/mottled English orpington roos over ayam cemani hens, of Mike Bean's lines, but NOT the Smithies. My friend is expecting a juvenile pair of ayam cemani from gff this week or next week, which I will add to my black meat project.

I seem to have prominent combs on 4 out of 6 chicks. 4 have black/mullberry coloring on their skin which is easy to see as their feathers are growing in. The ones with a bit of yellow/silver leakage are losing the leakage as their feathers come in. 2 have different feather growing in patterns which I hope are pullets, they both have nice black color saturation and are on the smaller side.

They're bored in their brooder box, I think I need a far larger one. My friend has 9 more haffies and 20+ more purebreed ayam cemani to pick my next batch of chicks from.

I'm also getting 12 white bresse chicks in about 2 weeks. So from what I am reading, please correct me if I'm way wrong here, but if using a fm male over non fm hens will produce mostly fm expression in the progeny?

So if I have a nice big fm roo over big white bresse pullets, then they will be what? Mostly fm? 25% fm?

 

[DCchicken]

I'd love to help with these projects. The 2 haffies that are orpington leaning in looks have pink skin. It was a black/white spangled/mottled English orpington roos over ayam cemani hens, of Mike Bean's lines, but NOT the Smithies. My friend is expecting a juvenile pair of ayam cemani from gff this week or next week, which I will add to my black meat project.

I seem to have prominent combs on 4 out of 6 chicks. 4 have black/mullberry coloring on their skin which is easy to see as their feathers are growing in. The ones with a bit of yellow/silver leakage are losing the leakage as their feathers come in. 2 have different feather growing in patterns which I hope are pullets, they both have nice black color saturation and are on the smaller side.

They're bored in their brooder box, I think I need a far larger one. My friend has 9 more haffies and 20+ more purebreed ayam cemani to pick my next batch of chicks from.

I'm also getting 12 white bresse chicks in about 2 weeks. So from what I am reading, please correct me if I'm way wrong here, but if using a fm male over non fm hens will produce mostly fm expression in the progeny?

So if I have a nice big fm roo over big white bresse pullets, then they will be what? Mostly fm? 25% fm?

Crossing out you will eventually lose the FM genes. You would have to cross back every generation to a pure FM bird (two copies of the gene) to maintain it. That's what mostly happened with the Sumatra. The only thing that was retained in them is the GF modifier.

Even if you breed two pure Cemani together, you will still need to cull say 75-80% to maintain the jet black in every generation.

 

[bluenkimchi]

Quote:
If you cross any FM roo X any light skin hen, sex link will be created. All/most F1 female chicks will be various degrees of FM and all male will be light /normal skin. Occasional some light FM males does occur in F1 breeding as well, but it's mainly females chicks that are hatch out FM in F1 breeding of Fm roo X light skin hen. All chicks will carry the Fm gene, just more dominate in females and males are more recessive. So, if you were to breed one of those light skin F1 males, he can still produce some Fm chicks occasionally. You would have to do line breeding for maybe 8x gen to get all dark Fm features like cemani, but were just talking about Fm meat birds, so it only take maybe F3 or 4? to get stable Fm body birds. Make sure you have a few different pairs, so you can switch birds around and not too much inbreeding going on.

 

[DCchicken]

Quote: But it would be interesting to see what happens with the Dominant White from the Bresse. My guess is that introducing the Breese is going to cause the white legs to appear. Either way there will be a need to cross back several times to a pure FM bird to maintain the genes.