Blue/red Orps?? Genetics & possible projects?

[tgrlily]

Thanks Tim! That was the kind of information I was looking for. He is so hard to photograph so I can capture the pattern on his back. He actually has a section of feathers that are blue with red lacing. There's a breeder in my area who has beautiful Blue Laced Red Wyandottes. I'll see if she has any available so I can get going on this when they're old enough.

I have to say this, because it's bothering me. Everyone who had a comment about the use of the abbreviation "BBS" has also posted using abbreviations. RIR, BC, BR, etc are all abbreviations, aren't they? I thought that it was the norm here & had to learn the abbreviations myself. So please, make sure you aren't guilty of the same thing before throwing stones... or barbs.

 

[Henk69]

No offence meant.
What was BC again?

 

[blackdotte]

RIR is the common short form for Rhode Island Red worldwide.
I presume BR is short for Barred Plymouth Rock, and BC is short for Brown-Red Marans, but then I could be wrong. Each of the above refers to a single breed or variety, but BBS which I have never seen before tells me nothing. I still do not know what the parents of your cockerel were. I presume they could have been any of the Black,Blue or Splash varieties, so without knowing exactly what it is really impossible to give an accurate answer.
David

 

[tgrlily]

The parents are Blue, Black & Splash Orpingtons. Could the red be hidden for a generation? I have one pullet that was purposely mixed with a buff Orpington roo over a splash or blue (not sure) Orpington hen. So far, she's almost half buff & half blue... the blue feathers are somewhat laced with buff.

I guess I've seen & heard "BBS" so many times I thought it was more widely recognised - like RIR. It sure is a lot less cumbersome to type the abbreviation.

 

[tadkerson]

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The BBS orpingtons that produced the cockerel are heterozygous (split) at the E locus or at the least one of the parents is heterozygous . Most BBS should have two extended black alleles at the E locus or a combination of extended black and birchen. It is possible that one of the birds is homozygous(has two of the same alleles) for birchen. One of the cockerel's parents carries a birchen allele and the other parent carries another E locus that is recessive to the extended black allele. The other allele could be birchen or an allele recessive to birchen. One of the parent birds also carries the columbian gene or a columbian like restrictor.

Because both parents are not homozygous (purebred) at the E locus for extended black, they can produce young like your bird. That is why the breeder is also getting birds like yours. The odds are one chance in four that the crossing will produce a bird that is not solid black or blue. If one of the cockerel's parents carries only one columbian gene then the odds are 1 in 8 of the cross producing a bird like yours.

In the future, it would be best to give the exact variety of the parents. Black crossed with blue or black crossed with blue splashed white (splashed). I use blue splashed white because this is the terminology used in the literature to describe homozygous blue birds.

Tim

 

[lildinkem]

WoW, someone here wants to start another PROJECT. Imagine that!
A new day, a new person dissatisfied with what already exists.
Can we create a list of new projects on BYC? Just yesterday there was 2 new PROJECTEERS.

And prolly another 4 PROJECTEERS I did not see.
I feel confident in the future for all purebred chickens with help like this.
Seeing how many people just love their purebred chickens. I am guessin that someday ALL ORPINGTONS will be labeled PROJECTS.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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It took me forever to figure out what BR meant. Still a bit lost on the BC??

lildinkem, what would the world be without projects???

 

[lildinkem]

rodriguez you got that rite!
I'll stick to the achieveable projects. Building another pen, building a varmit proof coop. Catching and blowing off a racoons head and feed it to the birds for their revenge.
And just wait in 10 years I will break out my Buff and Black Orpingtons, and by then we can call them PROJECTS. Cause by then everyone will be so wound tite into different colors, no one will have the traditional breeds.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Aww...you make me feel awful for starting my Barred Langshan project!

A new variety is more achievable (to me!!

) than building a new pen... hehehe...I've already got the birds for the project. Otherwise...I'd have to go buy more wood, nails, screws, netting, fencing...see. Got tired just thinking about it.

 

[Chris09]

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Aww come on you know you want more pens..... A person can never have to many pens.

Just think of the nice Barred Langshans you could make, breed, and have

Chris