Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Marengoite]

Let me add, they do take winter here alright, but I rarely am able to show cock birds. They usually lose the tips of the points on their comb.

Thanks, NYReds.

I'm guessing you let them range in the winter since you lose the tips off their points? I'm going to keep a close eye on my Hamburgs this winter for the same reason. I heard the big rose combs suffer when the temps go low and stay there. I'm hoping it doesn't get that bad, but "watch and learn" seems to be the order of the day with them.

rick

 

[kathyinmo]

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Frankly, I don't give a fig what others think, regarding my recreation of the Delaware breed. It does so happen that I used Barred Rocks from the oldest flock know. Their history can be traced to before 1900. The New Hampshires I used are also from old stock. They are the German strain. How and when did they get to Germany? They were part of the reconstruction effort after the war with Germany. The Germans are known to love this breed, and they continue to thrive there.

Will my Delawares be considered, "heritage?" I don't know and I don't care. In my opinion, if it looks like a Delawares, acts like a Delawares, shows like a Delaware, and breeds true..... it's a Delaware.

I don't get too hung up on terms like "heritage." It seems to me it is often used to romanticize the old breeds. Also, the APA has yet to determine their official standing on the word.

 

[cubalaya]

the SPPA (society for the preservation of poultry antiquities) has said to be heritage then it must have been created before the mid 20th century. this would include the delaware.

 

[3riverschick]

Thanks, Karen.

So you would agree that a re-created breed that meets the SOP and breeds consistently for multiple generations is a "true" representative of the breed? And that is is on par with the "heritage" birds?

Granted, this is purely hypothetical but it may have an impact on fans of the Lamona and Delaware. Wondering what their thoughts are.

rick

Yes, I do agree. All that is required for a purebred label is that the creature is of a pure-breeding breed. It doesn't matter how it got that way..Whether it is composite, foundation or any other label put to it. Pure-breeding, throughbred, purebred, etc. All these labels are definitons of how a breed reacts to manipulations of its genetics, not a judgement on how the genetics became pure-breeding in the first place.
These words, foundation, composite, heritage are further clarifications of the root issue. Just like an adjective clarifies the meaning of a noun. They do not define the root issue of "what is the definition of a 'pure-breeding' creature.
Best,
Karen

 

[Chris09]

the SPPA (society for the preservation of poultry antiquities) has said to be heritage then it must have been created before the mid 20th century. this would include the delaware.

Does the SPPA use the term "Heritage" now?

I thought the Delaware was under Traditional Agricultural [sub-category Recent Development]


Chris

 

[3riverschick]

On Sussex,
They should lay a large egg. I am not familiar with how to increase egg size in a strain. Honestly, I just haven't studied it yet and no help. However I am sure NYREDS, Bob B. and Walt L. , et al ,can help.
A Red Sussex is simply a Speckled Sussex without the Speckles. Rev. Ashbrook to me he would teach me how to create Red from Speckled, but then I ended up in Light Sussex instead. Red Sussex are very rare and in need of preservationists. Interestingly, they used to be very popular last century and are recognized by APA , along with Light and Speckled. It would be a real boon to the variety if they were winnowed from a strain as nice as Mr. Albrittons'' because he already has stunning breed type in his birds. It is absolutley not necessary to crossbreed to reinvigorate the Red Sussex.
Best,
Karen

 

[Bentley]

Frankly, I don't give a fig what others think, regarding my recreation of the Delaware breed. It does so happen that I used Barred Rocks from the oldest flock know. Their history can be traced to before 1900. The New Hampshires I used are also from old stock. They are the German strain. How and when did they get to Germany? They were part of the reconstruction effort after the war with Germany. The Germans are known to love this breed, and they continue to thrive there.

Will my Delawares be considered, "heritage?" I don't know and I don't care. In my opinion, if it looks like a Delawares, acts like a Delawares, shows like a Delaware, and breeds true..... it's a Delaware.

I don't get too hung up on terms like "heritage." It seems to me it is often used to romanticize the old breeds. Also, the APA has yet to determine their official standing on the word.

I agree completely Kathy, ROCK ON!!

Breed them to the SOP as described and approved by the best poultry minds in the country for over 100 years. The SOP was first produced in 1873 (pretty sure about that) and has been modified off an on since then but done so mostly to be more descriptive. So, if a breed breeds true and fits, in ALL AREAS, what is described for us by the experts in the SOP, then I call it what it is. No reason further creation and exploration is off limits to modern breeders. The things we can learn about genetics when we see how traits are expressed and how they interact with each other first hand through our own breeding efforts. You just cant been practical experience, but you can certainly add to it with scientific facts, hehe. (had to throw that last bit in there)

 

[NYREDS]

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Another thing we agree on Kathy. When a bird is in a cage at a show the only thing that matters is how close it comes to the Standard description. It doesn't need to bring pictures of it's grandparents or a copy of it's birth certificate. You've created a solid strain of Delawares by crossing 2 other previously created breeds. From the pictures I've seen I can't imagine them not beig accepted as Delawares.
As I've said before, all the breeds of chickens [and ducks, dogs cows & horses] that we know were created from crossing something else. Some were created long ago & some recently. Even the so-called "foundation breeds" were created at some point.
Another thing the term "Heritage" is being used for is to promote some really poor birds. Check the "Heritage" birds for sale on EBAY.

 

[Wynette]

When a bird is in a cage at a show the only thing that matters is how close it comes to the Standard description. It doesn't need to bring pictures of it's grandparents or a copy of it's birth certificate.

 

[Pozees]

On Sussex,
They should lay a large egg. I am not familiar with how to increase egg size in a strain. Honestly, I just haven't studied it yet and no help. However I am sure NYREDS, Bob B. and Walt L. , et al ,can help.
A Red Sussex is simply a Speckled Sussex without the Speckles. Rev. Ashbrook to me he would teach me how to create Red from Speckled, but then I ended up in Light Sussex instead. Red Sussex are very rare and in need of preservationists. Interestingly, they used to be very popular last century and are recognized by APA , along with Light and Speckled. It would be a real boon to the variety if they were winnowed from a strain as nice as Mr. Albrittons'' because he already has stunning breed type in his birds. It is absolutley not necessary to crossbreed to reinvigorate the Red Sussex.
Best,
Karen

Well now you have my brain working overtime LOL.