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Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread
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Sam, welcome to BYC and to the heritage poultry thread! I missed meeting you at the Arkansas State Fair, I couldn't be there during the judging. But I will catch up with you one of these days. That goes for the rest of you show-goers too!
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The Committee is working on it, but I will not know the results until the Shawnee show 12/11. The last APA newsletter indicated that there was a lot of interest in it and that several people would like to add their input.
Walt
The Heritage Poultry Committee of the APA (currently comprised of myself [Sam Brush], Don Schrider and Butch Gunderson, began with a charge to explore opportunities for establishing what would essentially be a "judges bureau" where APA judges would refine their skills for evaluating "heritage poultry" and be able to certify to varying degrees the heritage flocks of poultry. There are no plans for the APA to come up with a list of Heritage Breeds because that has essentially already been done through the collaborative effort with the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy. They have the definition on their website, and for all intents and purposes it outlines a heritage breed as one that was incorporated into the Standard of Perfection up through the mid-20th century (1950 +- a year or two) and which has some other characteristics relating to growth rates, etc. The ALBC and APA hammered that definition out over several meetings, with counsel from Frank Reese. While I think Frank Reese was thinking mostly along the lines of Barred Plymouth Rocks, White Wyandottes, Dark Cornish and the like, the definition language was set up to be broad enough that Speckled Sussex could be a "heritage breed" primarily for market, and Golden Spangled Hamburgs could be a heritage egg production flock. My understanding is that this can encompass bantam chickens as well, although there obviously would be less interest in bantams from the production standpoint. It was mostly intended to orient to those breeds that during the first half of the 20th century were the main ones use for money-making farm flocks. That list includes White Wyandottes, Anconas, Black Minorcas, Jersey Giants, Brahmas, Buff Orpingtons, etc. etc. If one browses some of the poultry journals from the 1930's you will find a number of advertisements for flocks of egg production breeds, dual purpose breeds and breeds used for meat production. There was even a flock of Black Breasted Red Old English Games in New England that served as a pretty good sized egg production flock - like a couple thousand! Breeds such as Delawares and Hollands came along toward the tail end of that period and in some cases had shorter periods of intense popularity. Nevertheless they are included in the heritage breed pool. During the 1940's and 1950's the APA actually had a corps of judges and other poultry specialists that were designated "flock certifiers." They went from farm to farm, evaluating the poultry against the Standard of Perfection and issuing certificates based on the caliber of the flocks. They charged for that service too!
So, the definition/list is more or less in place, and that is not on the committee docket for the Annual Meet in Shawnee. More likely the committee will be examining ideas for information sharing with poultry judges and those interested in establishing a heritage breed flock that is being put to its intended use. We are trying to not let this turn into the next version of the pot-bellied pig craze, where there is lots of fanfare and attention paid to these breeds simply because they have been annointed as a heritage poultry breed. Perhaps some day soon you may see a restaurant offering a special meal of "broiled half a Rhode Island Red," or an omelet prepared with "certified Blue Andalusian eggs." Those advertising moguls that trotted out the "Certified Angus Beef" weren't just being elitist!
Sam Brush
President, American Poultry Association
Straight from Da Man, hisself
Thank You, Mr Brush, for addressing this. Much appreciated.
The Committee is working on it, but I will not know the results until the Shawnee show 12/11. The last APA newsletter indicated that there was a lot of interest in it and that several people would like to add their input.
Walt
The Heritage Poultry Committee of the APA (currently comprised of myself [Sam Brush], Don Schrider and Butch Gunderson, began with a charge to explore opportunities for establishing what would essentially be a "judges bureau" where APA judges would refine their skills for evaluating "heritage poultry" and be able to certify to varying degrees the heritage flocks of poultry. There are no plans for the APA to come up with a list of Heritage Breeds because that has essentially already been done through the collaborative effort with the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy. They have the definition on their website, and for all intents and purposes it outlines a heritage breed as one that was incorporated into the Standard of Perfection up through the mid-20th century (1950 +- a year or two) and which has some other characteristics relating to growth rates, etc. The ALBC and APA hammered that definition out over several meetings, with counsel from Frank Reese. While I think Frank Reese was thinking mostly along the lines of Barred Plymouth Rocks, White Wyandottes, Dark Cornish and the like, the definition language was set up to be broad enough that Speckled Sussex could be a "heritage breed" primarily for market, and Golden Spangled Hamburgs could be a heritage egg production flock. My understanding is that this can encompass bantam chickens as well, although there obviously would be less interest in bantams from the production standpoint. It was mostly intended to orient to those breeds that during the first half of the 20th century were the main ones use for money-making farm flocks. That list includes White Wyandottes, Anconas, Black Minorcas, Jersey Giants, Brahmas, Buff Orpingtons, etc. etc. If one browses some of the poultry journals from the 1930's you will find a number of advertisements for flocks of egg production breeds, dual purpose breeds and breeds used for meat production. There was even a flock of Black Breasted Red Old English Games in New England that served as a pretty good sized egg production flock - like a couple thousand! Breeds such as Delawares and Hollands came along toward the tail end of that period and in some cases had shorter periods of intense popularity. Nevertheless they are included in the heritage breed pool. During the 1940's and 1950's the APA actually had a corps of judges and other poultry specialists that were designated "flock certifiers." They went from farm to farm, evaluating the poultry against the Standard of Perfection and issuing certificates based on the caliber of the flocks. They charged for that service too!
So, the definition/list is more or less in place, and that is not on the committee docket for the Annual Meet in Shawnee. More likely the committee will be examining ideas for information sharing with poultry judges and those interested in establishing a heritage breed flock that is being put to its intended use. We are trying to not let this turn into the next version of the pot-bellied pig craze, where there is lots of fanfare and attention paid to these breeds simply because they have been annointed as a heritage poultry breed. Perhaps some day soon you may see a restaurant offering a special meal of "broiled half a Rhode Island Red," or an omelet prepared with "certified Blue Andalusian eggs." Those advertising moguls that trotted out the "Certified Angus Beef" weren't just being elitist!
Sam Brush
President, American Poultry Association
Straight from Da Man, hisself
Thank You, Mr Brush, for addressing this. Much appreciated.
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It doesn't usually happen by accident, but there are things I can show you that help a little. Are you showing at Stockton?
Walt
Walt - be sure to tell them about the banana oil and jojoba extract mixture ....
Sam
Nice going....now everyone knows my tricks.
Thanks for the Heritage info. All I had is what heard in the report at the Lucasville show.
Walt
It doesn't usually happen by accident, but there are things I can show you that help a little. Are you showing at Stockton?
Walt
Walt - be sure to tell them about the banana oil and jojoba extract mixture ....
Sam
Nice going....now everyone knows my tricks.
Thanks for the Heritage info. All I had is what heard in the report at the Lucasville show.
Walt
Walt, I would love to, but I am not sure what I will show. I have my 4 Delaware and I have my Mottled Javas. I would love to show my Mottled Javas, but not sure if I should expose my one and only breeding roo to the show scene. What are your thoughts on disease and taking good stock to the shows. I know that is the point, you want people to see your good stock. But, have you ever had problems with that?
Oh, and by the way. I know there is more to showing then just luck. I am well aware of all the time and $ it takes to just breed a bird that you can show, let alone get one ready for a show. I'm following!
Oh, and by the way. I know there is more to showing then just luck. I am well aware of all the time and $ it takes to just breed a bird that you can show, let alone get one ready for a show. I'm following!
There goes the neighborhood! We had Bob...then Walt showed up....now Sam! Whose next, Pat Malone?
Folks these are excellent and skilled judges! We are blessed to have their wisdom and insight on BYC!
The term "Heritage Poultry" was originally intended for marketing purposes. The term organic was great until they went certified. We were organic long before we knew what was organic. But the regulations were so strict that we never got certified. Hopefully the USDA wil not get involved in heritage poultry and will allow the definition that APA/ALBC defined stand.
I would like to see a better way of choosing Heritage Display at the shows. At the Arkansas State fair a "committee" chose a heritage display. It really should be an APA/ABA licensed judge that picks the champion heritage display. And it may have been, the show information just said it would be a committee from HPC.
On another note, everyone should try to at least attend a show that Sam is judging. Have always enjoyed showing under him.
Just heard one fellow has aquired a breeding display of Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds, Buckeyes and Black Jersey Giants for his 14 year old's 4H project. They have really worked hard to help her start what may be in a few years an Exhibition Heritage Poultry Hatchery! I sold them their first Buckeyes.
It is also JenScott's fault! She donated a RCRIR pair to our 4H swap last week and they "won" them at $85. I said a few months ago this young lady would be a force to watch out for in the future, but she may be a problem for many of us at Shawnee!
Have heard that there may be at least a dozen Buckeye breeders exhibiting at Shawnee. This is again thanks to JenScott! She sold chicks/eggs to EVERYONE! We all got beat by cowboygourmet's 14 year old granddaughter at Little rock. Sam chose her pullet over everyone else's! Though it had to be tough on Sam. I think only 4 Buckeyes shown were from a different sorce then JenScott. Most were hatchmates or at least from the same breeding pens. But at least it was over 100 white Rock pullets like Walt said he had once. We will start hatching in full force after Shawnee and see if we can improve what we have. We added a young trio of Chris McClary X Dave Puthoff, however we got the eggs from JenScott, so we are still showing against the same gene pool. I sent a PM to Don Schrider and asked what he could suggest I do different or who's line I could add. He looked at my photos and suggested I look in my own backyard. We have a good combination of the major Buckeye lines and just need to hatch early, hatch a lot and cull heavy. Lots of dumplins and fried chicken. BBQ and teriaki!
Looking forward to seeing everyone in Shawnee!
Folks these are excellent and skilled judges! We are blessed to have their wisdom and insight on BYC!
The term "Heritage Poultry" was originally intended for marketing purposes. The term organic was great until they went certified. We were organic long before we knew what was organic. But the regulations were so strict that we never got certified. Hopefully the USDA wil not get involved in heritage poultry and will allow the definition that APA/ALBC defined stand.
I would like to see a better way of choosing Heritage Display at the shows. At the Arkansas State fair a "committee" chose a heritage display. It really should be an APA/ABA licensed judge that picks the champion heritage display. And it may have been, the show information just said it would be a committee from HPC.
On another note, everyone should try to at least attend a show that Sam is judging. Have always enjoyed showing under him.
Just heard one fellow has aquired a breeding display of Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds, Buckeyes and Black Jersey Giants for his 14 year old's 4H project. They have really worked hard to help her start what may be in a few years an Exhibition Heritage Poultry Hatchery! I sold them their first Buckeyes.
Have heard that there may be at least a dozen Buckeye breeders exhibiting at Shawnee. This is again thanks to JenScott! She sold chicks/eggs to EVERYONE! We all got beat by cowboygourmet's 14 year old granddaughter at Little rock. Sam chose her pullet over everyone else's! Though it had to be tough on Sam. I think only 4 Buckeyes shown were from a different sorce then JenScott. Most were hatchmates or at least from the same breeding pens. But at least it was over 100 white Rock pullets like Walt said he had once. We will start hatching in full force after Shawnee and see if we can improve what we have. We added a young trio of Chris McClary X Dave Puthoff, however we got the eggs from JenScott, so we are still showing against the same gene pool. I sent a PM to Don Schrider and asked what he could suggest I do different or who's line I could add. He looked at my photos and suggested I look in my own backyard. We have a good combination of the major Buckeye lines and just need to hatch early, hatch a lot and cull heavy. Lots of dumplins and fried chicken. BBQ and teriaki!
Looking forward to seeing everyone in Shawnee!
Check out the new Wyandotte Breeders of America website....
this is a temporary link
www.wyandottebreedersofamerica.webs.com
this is a temporary link
www.wyandottebreedersofamerica.webs.com
Bob Gilbert, VP of the American Buckeye Poultry Club, reports that of the 6400 entries at the Ohio national, the large fowl breed with the largest representation at the show is the Buckeye! What a great turnout for our first national meet!
Mat Lhamon posted this on his site and thought I would post it here.
Mat Lhamon :
Here is Neil Grassbaugh's Ohio National/ABA National Update
Current number of entries registered 6,400 birds
The entry of bantams will exceed any previous ABA National Meet other than the joint ABA/APA Nationals.
The largest class will be Feather Leg Bantams A very strong showing of Cochins and Silkies is shaping up. It is unusual that either the SCCL or the RCCL is not the biggest at Columbus. Those classes are still huge but the FL exhibitors look like they are going to have a big battle for top honors.
The breed with the most number of entries will be Call Ducks.
The largest breed representation for Large Fowl will be Buckeyes.
There are more than 1,300 waterfowl entered.
There are currently 193 Junior exhibitors in show. Down a few from last year but the entry is about the same.
Final total entry not expected to exceed 7,000
Since 1971 The OHIO NATIONAL has not been a show with less than 3,000 birds and in that time period it was the largest show in every year but two.
There are 600 sale cages reserved. At no other location will you find more quality birds for sale from the top breeders.
You might as well get in the car and come see all that is going on November 13 & 14 at the Ohio State Fairgrounds in Columbus, Ohio
Remeber that there will be a BYC table to act as an anchor point for all the members to meet and greet at.
"1300 waterfowl is huge, they continue to be the best watefowl show in the US year after year!"
MattL
Chris
Here is Neil Grassbaugh's Ohio National/ABA National Update
Current number of entries registered 6,400 birds
The entry of bantams will exceed any previous ABA National Meet other than the joint ABA/APA Nationals.
The largest class will be Feather Leg Bantams A very strong showing of Cochins and Silkies is shaping up. It is unusual that either the SCCL or the RCCL is not the biggest at Columbus. Those classes are still huge but the FL exhibitors look like they are going to have a big battle for top honors.
The breed with the most number of entries will be Call Ducks.
The largest breed representation for Large Fowl will be Buckeyes.
There are more than 1,300 waterfowl entered.
There are currently 193 Junior exhibitors in show. Down a few from last year but the entry is about the same.
Final total entry not expected to exceed 7,000
Since 1971 The OHIO NATIONAL has not been a show with less than 3,000 birds and in that time period it was the largest show in every year but two.
There are 600 sale cages reserved. At no other location will you find more quality birds for sale from the top breeders.
You might as well get in the car and come see all that is going on November 13 & 14 at the Ohio State Fairgrounds in Columbus, Ohio
Remeber that there will be a BYC table to act as an anchor point for all the members to meet and greet at.
"1300 waterfowl is huge, they continue to be the best watefowl show in the US year after year!"
MattL
Chris
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Mrs. Turbo :
Check out the new Wyandotte Breeders of America website....
this is a temporary link
www.wyandottebreedersofamerica.webs.com
Mrs. Turbo, Thank you for posting this. The other WBA site was never updated and was a disappointment. I did join the WBA and find a breeder through it but I hope this site will be better. I think your SLW are wonderful and look forward to seeing them "live and in person" at a show one of these days ( or decades
)!
Bob, I've spent the last week, a bit at a time, reading all 100+ pages of this thread. Thank you so much for starting it and for all the great information you, and others, have provided. It would truly be a shame if the wonderful Heritage breeds were lost..........but equally a shame would be for the knowledge that long time breeders have to be lost. Thank you for taking the time to try and help interested peeps get a start or make progress "with what you have".
I'll be here
soaking in all up!!!
Later, Mary
Check out the new Wyandotte Breeders of America website....
this is a temporary link
www.wyandottebreedersofamerica.webs.com
Mrs. Turbo, Thank you for posting this. The other WBA site was never updated and was a disappointment. I did join the WBA and find a breeder through it but I hope this site will be better. I think your SLW are wonderful and look forward to seeing them "live and in person" at a show one of these days ( or decades
Bob, I've spent the last week, a bit at a time, reading all 100+ pages of this thread. Thank you so much for starting it and for all the great information you, and others, have provided. It would truly be a shame if the wonderful Heritage breeds were lost..........but equally a shame would be for the knowledge that long time breeders have to be lost. Thank you for taking the time to try and help interested peeps get a start or make progress "with what you have".
Later, Mary
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