Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

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Honestly how many breeders do this? I don't want to come down on the many who keep their birds in small to medium runs, but really, this is indeed a very important thing. Yes, you could lose your birds by free ranging/pasture raising, but it is far more natural and healthy as well as what we originally did decades ago when raising dual purpose breeds. Birds were fed the scraps of the farm's produce and good quality food, not commercial hen feed mashed into pellet form in a metal/plastic feeder, with nothing else more to eat than a couple bugs that fly through the run.
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Illia, you hit a very interesting note, here, and something about which I feel strongly. In the Standard, "economic qualities" proceed all other information, barring basic bio. However, this is a point that might ask us all to bend....far. I think that we'd all have a rude eye opening were we to be able to quantify how many SOP-bred birds with high productivity were floating around. Now, I say this with the caveat of live and let live, but on our farm, we have zero time for a pretty bird that can't produce. We watch diligently for early maturity, and that which doesn't pass meets the pot, I don't even consider it. I literally do not allow my eyes to look at it.

I find that I'm pretty middle ground when it comes to purist stances. For example, I do not think that there is a strong, productive flock of White Dorking in the country. Ours are improving yearly, but that is improvement. Our breeds have not been part of a rigorous, Standard-based breeding program for decades. Someone kept them alive, and we received them as hatchery quality. If forced to bet, I would say that this generally describes the vast majority of all our breeds. The only breeds I am seeing commonly discussed here are relatively newly developed birds that used to enjoy an enormous population, i.e. Barred and White Rocks, NH, RIR, etc... They were much better positioned to withstand the process of agricultural depopulation that is the legacy of the latter half of the 20th century.

The Dorkings, the Crevecoeurs, the Houdans, the La Fleche, the Redcap, these breeds were already counting far fewer when depopulation began. There are no fowl up to snuff in any of these breeds in the country, at least to the extnent we have seen in this thread with regards to Plymouth Rocks, RIR, etc.... Of all of them, the Dorking is probably the strongest. Anyone wanting to save these birds is going to have to be contented with the dregs, most of which will come from hatcheries, and then, with longsuffering, will they pull them back from the brink.
 
Cayugas are nice eating. The average about 3.5/lbs dressed at 18 weeks old. They tend to start laying in late winter/early spring and stop in July for the molt. They tend not to come back into lay until the winter/spring shift.

If you want a bird that lays yearlong, but is smaller, but still nice to eat, I'd head for the Welsh Harlequin.

Both I'd get from Holderreads
 
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Honestly how many breeders do this? I don't want to come down on the many who keep their birds in small to medium runs, but really, this is indeed a very important thing. Yes, you could lose your birds by free ranging/pasture raising, but it is far more natural and healthy as well as what we originally did decades ago when raising dual purpose breeds. Birds were fed the scraps of the farm's produce and good quality food, not commercial hen feed mashed into pellet form in a metal/plastic feeder, with nothing else more to eat than a couple bugs that fly through the run.
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Excellent point Illia, and yes my birds are roly poly, heavy and they are what most call ugly. They are not production 'designer' birds, on the second point as heritage birds living outdoors in pasture conditions, I have no doubt these birds could live a long life in a beautiful pasture in France
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Hmm....I'd check out Lamon's work. He does discuss dominques, which is going to give you a good feather pattern indicator.

Lucky Lucky where did you find that book ?
 
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Thanks once again, and I awaite the sex link thing. ***I know Illia knows all about those genetics too...I ask you both (and Chris) this question: What heritage breeds are a sex link barred and what are not, obviously the Plymouth Barred Rocks are heritage and are not a sex link, with both sexes having the same tight and crisp barring with no blurring and both the 'same lightness'
I would not continue this discussion if it offends some as unimportant or boring.
Just wondered what other breeds do or do not psess this gene to have a lighter male, darker female...even to be sexed at hatch.
 
RareFeathersFarm is raising Dorkings, if I am not mistaken. And she does indeed have her hands full with that and to all our delight, is newly pregnant herself and having a heck of a time, selling off alot of birds.
Hope she can continue with her Dorking project.
 
Ah those really rare breeds has me to need to bring up again, Walt showed a photo once of an amazing, breathtaking, and very large Houdan hen at a show once. . . Honestly I would LOVE to be one of the very, very few people to help preserve and, most of all, improve the Houdans back to their original standard and dual purposes again, but I beg the question - Does anyone know of any Houdan breeder around, at least with Houdans of decent size/weight? And small wattles, large crest. That's the next thing.
 
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Hmm....I'd check out Lamon's work. He does discuss dominques, which is going to give you a good feather pattern indicator.

Lucky Lucky where did you find that book ?

Chickielady, you can get it from Amazon. I just got mine a few days ago and am enjoying it.
 
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The only flock of standard-ish houdan of which I know is suffering from laying issues--a sign of excessive inbreeding.

I'm working with Tolbunt Polish, the most inbred and unreliable color of Polish around.
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I'd deal with them if I could get a cockerel from such lines.
 
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