Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

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Bob what Turbo and I are referring to is actually a thin outer white pencil marking on the breast feathers. Much like the outer edges of a LT Brahma Hackle feather. In other words the burgundy or whatever the right color name is for the breast feathers on the male gray would have a thin white edge on them or be mottled. Go to the link below see pages 140 to 145 on page 142 there is a good picture of a Dark Brahma with the breast markings for a hen line it would be worthless in a show but great as a breeder. This white is really referred to as excess penciling in the male bird. It is a gene thin used to set or enhance the penciling in the hens. Remember the hen sets type and the cock sets color, I think this is true in ducks also but like I said in a previous post I am a chicken guy. I really do not think the off color in the rear end will help you butt I could be wrong. Underwood may know. Penciled anything is a new ball game. There are more recessive genes at play that need attention in varying ways.

Wynette You should not have to double mate the Langshans. They are general line bred or it is also referred to as standard mating.
I suggest reading the first few chapters of the book below and then search for Langshan in the book search box the main chapter for Langshan starts on page 151.

When breeding birds there are generally three ways to go.
1) Line breeding
2) double mating (usually used in party colored birds)
3) Pen breeding

For details on the principles of each see

http://books.google.com/books?id=Wf...m=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Note: pen breeding is simply putting good type birds together and hoping for a few really good ones. In my opinion trio or quad breeding is a scaled down version of pen breeding. Most pen breeders will use 10 to 20 hens with 2 to 4 cock birds in a pen depending on pen size. I do not remember if the book above explains pen breeding. I haven't read the first few chapters in a long time. You will have to read it and find out.

Good luck with the birds
Charlie
 
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You don't have to cook beef trimmings, but you should cook pork no matter what species you're feeding it to. I cook the beef trimming for the birds because they last longer that way (as in keep better in storage) The dog scraps (beef, not pork) are dumped out raw, and the chickens are free to go over and steal.
 
Alot of salmon faverolles (bantam and LF) breeders use the double mating system because the male and female are so differently colored. It's controversial but very much practiced. For a while so many people were working on good pullet color that here were very few good males left. The males lost the good dark red/mahogony color across their backs people realized the males were getting too light and increased cockerel lines and they are now making a come back.
 
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I have been doing alot of research and reading the early 1900's literature, and I believe I am going to do double mating with my Barred Rocks. Back then they say they tried everything, and that was the only way to go with them.

Kathy - regarding "the only way to go" - what was the aim? Good stuff to know...I've always wondered on this and have read really good things about it and really bad - some of the bad I've read says double mating is simply a shortcut, but I do not have enough experience in this to know.

in some breeds to get consistent good colored show birds you have to double mate... take the black copper Marans for example... if the rooster is the proper color IE no red in his breast just on hackle and saddle feathers most of his daughters will be pure black or very little red on there neck... if your rooster has way to much red in his breast then he will throw daughters will a lot of red in there neck feathers... now that is not to say that u cant get proper colored hens out of a proper colored rooster its just harder... and with double mating you get more consistency witch is always nice... expressively if your showing them... a lot of people that want to flock breed will keep one proper colored rooster and one with to much red in its breast and then just cull hard on there of spring... Remember the APA says that to be a breed a given flock of birds only has to breed true 50% of the time for 3 generations...

Just my 2 cents worth
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Elias
 
So, generally speaking, it is a better idea to use the male/female line method when dealing with birds that have color schemes going on instead of a single color?

Also, regarding the meat, could you use raw venison?
 
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lol only if you have to... its double the pen space and double the work and most importantly double the record keeping...

yes i know several ppl that feed road kill coons,deer,armadillos, anything they can get there hands on

just don't feed the whole deer at once unless they can clean that much up in a day...
 
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Fortunately no. It's just a 2lb. thing of venison hamburger meat. I've opened the package in preparation for dinner then accidentally left it out a bit longer than what I personally would like to chance...
 
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Yes, and you can also easily make your own. Chickens *like* to play with those suet cages.

Because I am pathetically easy to amuse, I like to tie a huge chunk of beef with baling twine, and then s-l-o-w-l-y lower it down among the birds. It's like feeding the Velociraptors at Hobb's Jurassic Park. (Of course, one must "Moo" for effect.)
 
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i totally agree with you...where i live everyone just has white rock....i only know one person in an one hour radius of me that has rhode island reds!! i currently have 7 rir hens and 1 rir rooster
 
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