Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[NYREDS]

Stringmans Scrapbook is a wonderful book about stringmen.... if you can find it. Great pictures and info. It is remarkable to see what these guys did to get their birds to fairs.

Walt

My favorite picture is on page 141. a horse drawn wagon with cages piled 5 high & more cages tied hanging off the side.

 

[fowlman01]

My favorite picture is on page 141. a horse drawn wagon with cages piled 5 high & more cages tied hanging off the side.

Lol...they look like something you would see in a third world country.

Walt

 

[thedragonlady]

3riverschick,

Take a look at the Silkie threads if you want to see mixed up, made up colors. I've tried to make a dent in that practice, but there are so many new pet silkie people who think their precious buff paint silkie with blue under fluff is a sure winner.The words, "Buy a Standard!!!" fall on a lot of deaf ears.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Take a look at the Silkie threads if you want to see mixed up, made up colors. I've tried to make a dent in that practice, but there are so many new pet silkie people who think their precious buff paint silkie with blue under fluff is a sure winner.The words, "Buy a Standard!!!" fall on a lot of deaf ears.

Its on my Christmas list too, from Santa to me, LOL I really have never needed a SOP for I've just been a procreator of production types and conglomerations of all sorts(pretty, pretties) and there is no need for a standard for them or production types as you just place them in the pen together and they will pretty much re-make themselves(production types) like carbon copies(clones) over and over again. Now on the other hand I can see where I WILL need this Standard of Perfection on my first go around of breeding this coming season as I'm convinced you don't get just exactly what one would think by just letting mother nature take its course in action with the guys and girls. There has to be a little bit of intervention here.

Jeff

 

[3riverschick]

I WILL need this Standard of Perfection on my first go around of breeding this coming season as I'm convinced you don't get just exactly what one would think by just letting mother nature take its course in action with the guys and girls. There has to be a little bit of intervention here.

Jeff
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Yeah, that's really true with Light Sussex too. Breed two top winners together and unless you get lucky ( or have spent a bazillion hours creating excellence in the abstract), you're just not going to get a whole hatch of winners. Too much color balancing going on there,

. Fortunately, Light Sussex are bred to Light Brahma color genetics. As both breeds have a rich written histories on breeding to feather, the answers on how to balance color breeding for winners are already out there for beginners like me. However, unless one takes time to really learn the techniques instead of just copying a book, in the long run, one just remains ignorant, never a good thing.
Karen

 

[fowlman01]

3riverschick, Take a look at the Silkie threads if you want to see mixed up, made up colors. I've tried to make a dent in that practice, but there are so many new pet silkie people who think their precious buff paint silkie with blue under fluff is a sure winner.The words, "Buy a Standard!!!" fall on a lot of deaf ears.

Just about any thread here on BYC. how do you like the showgirls and sizzles?

w.

 

[Lacy Blues]

Carefoot WC.
" genotype of the laced plumage pattern of the Blue Andalusian is
E/E Bl/bl+ Co/Co (Ml-Pg)/(Ml-Pg)."
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Simply put, the Blue Andalusian is a bird built on 2 copies of the 'E' extended black gene. It carries 1 copy of the Bl (Blue) gene, plus 2 copies of the 'Co' (Columbian) gene. It must also possess 2 copies of a color factor which is a combination of the 'Ml' (Melantoic) and 'Pg' (Pattern) genes.
Best,
Karen

Lacy Blues, I used to teach biology and I would use chicken combs for exercises in inheritance. Quit teaching in 1993 and just started with chickens this year. Had no idea I'd actually be using what I was teaching in school. Also explains why I wasn't surprised to get a SC pullet in the batch of Hamburgs I bought from the hatchery. Recessive happens.

Here are a couple resources on chicken colors if you want to research them:

http://www.chickencolours.com/pagina3.html

http://gbpoultry.com/E-Books.html

That should get you started. And it will make your brain hurt, but in a good way.

rick

When you have an interest like you do, you WILL learn the genetics. Give yourself time, and read as much as you can. You will get it. Refresh on the basics, read that booklet about chicken genetics and build from there. THere is a lifetime of learning ahead of you to keep you interested.

Ha ha ha, you know what? It makes my head hurt just thinking about trying! Oh my goodness!

Thank you all for your encouragement. I will dig that book out and then when I have no more excuses to go outside and work around my birds and pens, and I'm stuck indoors because its too bloody cold and windy to be outside for anything with a little sanity (poor birds) then maybe I can tackle this book... one page at a time!

Makes me feel like a space cadet!

 

[MagicChicken]

I find it to be more than a little ironic, and actually quite sad, that acronyms that have been in use for generations are all but unknown among today's book poor text-speakers, yet they constantly feel free to make up new ones of their own out of sheer laziness in typing out the words, for breeds and varieties which are not universally known by the abbreviations they choose. They don't get, and seemingly don't care that unless one is involved in a conversation from the start, seeing the entire context, the average person has no idea what the shortcuts they use actually mean. The practice is rampant here.
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Yup, Narragansett,
It kinda makes me nuts.

Like when folk decide to call a variety by a name which fits the colors they see, but isn't correct genetics for the bird.

A classic example is the Golden Salmon Marans community. GSM are wild-type, i.e., BBR cock w/the salmon-breasted, stippled hen. Yet they call them Red Duckwing, Golden Duckwing. Yes, there could seem to be "red" (really salmon) in the hens breast but Red Duckwing is actually wildtype with Mh added

Or yes, GSM is a duckwing with the gold gene, but a Golden Duckwing carries the Silver gene

Even calling them Gold Duckwing is less than appropriate because, while it can be viewed as correct, it also can be viewed as incorrect depending on the connotation. How on earth can folk breed a fowl when they aren't using correct nomenclature to describe it?

Karen

Speaking of nomenclature, this term "duckwing" has been confusing me for some time. There's no definition for it in my SOP, and I haven't found any illustrations of what it means. Some people use it a lot (not necessarily on this thread). Am I missing something? Could someone point me to a description/illustration of what it supposedly means?

Thx!
Sarah

 

[Chris09]

Lacy Blue,
Try these two links, for genitics of poultry.
http://kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htm
http://sellers.kippenjungle.nl/page0.html

Chris

 

[Chris09]

Speaking of nomenclature, this term "duckwing" has been confusing me for some time. There's no definition for it in my SOP, and I haven't found any illustrations of what it means. Some people use it a lot (not necessarily on this thread). Am I missing something? Could someone point me to a description/illustration of what it supposedly means?

Thx!
Sarah

Duck-Wing:
To have coloring in both the wing bow and wing bar while the wing bay is red or white like seen in Black breasted reds and pyles. Unlike a Crow-Wing which only possesses coloring in the wing bow.

Crow-Wing:
To have coloring in the wing bow while the wing bar and wing bay is a black or white color like seen in brown reds, unlike Duck-Wings which possess coloring in both the wing bow and bay.

This picture shows the Wing Bow, Bay and Bar.

Duck-Wing i.e. Black Breasted Red

Crow-Wing i.e. Brown Red

Edited for type-o

Chris