Breeding different colors within a breed Orpingtons then Wyandottea

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Wow, a huge incredibly appreciated thanks!
Okay what is the difference when you just say blue cuckoo chicks to saying first cuckoo (black) chicks

Why sometimes cuckoo as second word after that color of bird and then why sometimes cuckoo the first word with the color in brackets?

Okay so my goal for just having pretty eye candy of darker colors on the farm that still produce eggs for a variety for my children to enjoy and not bore of this would work! And I could cull the males so they can't be mistakes back into the line for breeding! And if I ever sell any as chicks it would be strictly for a egg laying hen of beauty making very clear there is Lavendar lines that are most likely hidden in the back ground thus not pure in color genetics! Which I would have no problem disclosing!

I would love some black and some chocolate cuckoos! If only in looks only and not true breeding as I can always keep at least two Lavendar cuckoos Roos to breed with my Lavendar cuckoo hens yo always ensure pure lines and only breed them every second year!

And I definately don't mind have black, blue or chocolate solids as those are what I like as long as I band them and they never go into the pure line of breeding!

 

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Do you know anything with the colors on the Wyandottes!

 

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Now to also figure out our meat birds but I should put that in a separate post as the amount of barred rocks we have won't supply us with enough eggs to hatch to get all our meat birds going in one 3 weeks stint! So we don't drag out their growing rate!

 

[The Moonshiner]

When people say cuckoo it is just a cuckoo patterned black chicken. When its a different color than black with the cuckoo pattern then they are mostly called whatever color then cuckoo. I just added the black in ( ) so you would know for sure the color i was talking about was black. Instead of just saying cuckoo and assuming you would know i meant black.

 

[The Moonshiner]

You can cross any of them and sell them without issue imo if youre honest about their color cross.
Some might like it because they can breed a few birds and get a variety of colored chicks. Others will want color pure lines and not want them.
I would just stay away from crossing the lavender and lavender cuckoos with the blues or chocolates.
All your colors have black and can be crossed with black. Lavender, chocolate, blue and splash are all dilutes of black.
Blue black and splash is easy. No blue gene equals black. One gene equals blue and two genes equal splash. Nothing hides. It is what you see.
Lavender is recessive it takes one lavender gene from eacb parent to be lavender. Black, blue, splash and chocolate can all carry one lavender gene and not be lavender. Most breeders at some point will breed lavenders to blacks and create black split to lavender birds. You can then breed those to a lavender and get 1/2 lavenders and half blacks that carry lavenders.
You can do the same with chocolate. Difference is chocolate is sex linked. Females only have one spot for that gene. So either they have chocolate gene and are chocolate colored or they dont have the gene and are black.
Males have two spots so they can have no copies and be black or one copy and be black carrying one chocolate gene or have two copies and be chocolate colored.
If a rooster is chocolate and hen is chocolate all offspring will be chocolate. If rooster is chocolate and hen is black. All pullets will get one of the roosters chocolate gene and be chocolate. All cockerels will get one chocolate from rooster but black from hen so they will all be black and carry one copy of the chocolate. You breed those males to a black hen and half pullets will be black and half chocolate. The cockerels will be black. Half will carry chocolate and half wont. You wont be able to tell which is which by looking at the.
You breed the black cockerels that carry one gene to chocolate hens. Half pullets will be chocolate and half black. Half cockerels will be chocolate and half black tbat carry chocolate.
Once it all starts making sense you can see what certain pairs will produce and you can pick and choose what to cross to produce what you want.
You just have to be aware of the ones that carry recessive genes. You can use them to make more of the recessive gene colors but that carrying genes that dont show on the bird can and will pop back up when you wish they wouldnt.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Cant help with the dottes. Idk if the whites are dominate white or recessive white. And im no expert with how the lace pattern works.

 

[summerb123]

I'm just here to watch

 

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Wow, amazing, thanks for your time on this! Because I have the Lavendars in my stock already but don't really want more of that color I would be will to pay. I just realize I prefer darker colors. And since we paid so much for the eggs and shipping and hatching and they are ready to lay I would like to use them for an investment since we need egg production anyway! As selling them for only $20 a bird at point of lay comes now where near paying of their investment. But them producing eggs or more offspring that I can raise to produce eggs foes pay off. And way cheaper than buying more eggs and high shipping for hatches that are compromised compared to hatching off my farm. Huge savings. Plus I can sell the chicks still as long as completely honest that they are not true to color and Lavendar is in their line.
Lots of people around here are looking for some pretty colors for their small backyard acreage by the city.

I find I am so happy to see people who realize they want quality eggs but also want some fun doing it. It I can bring some joy by bringing color to their back yard that produces food for them at the same time it is just wonderful. Plus joy right here to my kids while they help with the extensive am chores but get to see beauty and variety.

I thank you so very very much. You helped with a lot of stress I had over the Lavendars and not just wanting to get rid of them since so much investment!

 

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[Chicken5555]

Okay trying to streamline my breeding pens for this spring plus with very wet year just did not end up with both male and females in every breed or not something I am happy with.
So first breed.
I have Chocolate Orpingtons, Molted Orpingtons, Lavendar Orpingtons, Lavendar Cuckoo Orpintons and a few Blue Orpintons.
Now I know for sure I want to breed my Chocolates and Molteds. So pretty, should be in demand plus I like dark colors , they cleaner looking in bad weather lol.
Not as crazy as I thought about my Lavendar and Lavendar cuckoo. Just so light in color.
So I have an extra Chocolate roo. What if I put a

Chocolate Roo over my Lavendar hens. Or

Chocolate Roo over my Lavendar Cuckoo hens

What if a Blue Roo over either Lavendar hens

And what if
Lavendar cuckoo Roo over Blue hens? Or possibly Black hens if I have?
Just decided if I cull all my Lavendar and Lavendar cuckoo Roos. To many Roos in rooster pen making trouble on my wanted Roos!

I cannot help with the Wyandotte color, sorry.

What was said about lavender x blue breeding is good advice... lavender and splash look similar and if you breed the offspring you won't know what's what.
If you want sex link chicks, Chocolate x Lavender sounds like the way to go, just remember that the daughters will look like the fathers.

As for mottled, mottle is not dominant. If I wanted mottled chicks from those birds, I would first breed blue x mottled together, then breed the offspring back to the mottled parent. Half the chicks will be mottled.