Breeding Paint Silkies and Their Genetics

[ChloeSilkie08]

Hello everyone! I haven’t been on here in awhile so excuse me if I missed something, but I just got 5 paints for breeding. I have 1 rooster and 4 hens at the moment. I do not know what their lineage is but I can ask the breeder if need be. What I need to know is what will happen when I breed my paint rooster to my other non-paint hens.
I have:
Buff
Recessive white
Black
Splash
And what I believe to be red pyle

What happens when I breed him to these? I hatch out pet quality silkies for people who don’t want to spend as much on purebred and I need to be able to tell my customers what they’re getting.
Thanks so much!

 

[JacinLarkwell]

I was told I would just get more paints breeding to a partridge, but that's all I know

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Hello everyone! I haven’t been on here in awhile so excuse me if I missed something, but I just got 5 paints for breeding. I have 1 rooster and 4 hens at the moment. I do not know what their lineage is but I can ask the breeder if need be. What I need to know is what will happen when I breed my paint rooster to my other non-paint hens.
I have:
Buff
Recessive white
Black
Splash
And what I believe to be red pyle

What happens when I breed him to these? I hatch out pet quality silkies for people who don’t want to spend as much on purebred and I need to be able to tell my customers what they’re getting.
Thanks so much!

Buff x - paint with gold leakage or black with gold leakage
Recessive white x - depends on what’s under the recessive white
Black x - 50% paints and 50% blacks
Splash x - 50% blue paints and 50% blues
Red pyle x - Depends on the genetics of the red pyle

 

[ChloeSilkie08]

Buff x - paint with gold leakage or black with gold leakage
Recessive white x - depends on what’s under the recessive white
Black x - 50% paints and 50% blacks
Splash x - 50% blue paints and 50% blues
Red pyle x - Depends on the genetics of the red pyle

The red Pyle was a white or splash roo over a recessive white hen I believe

 

[MysteryChicken]

Your Paint Rooster is carrying Autosomal Red.

Paint Silkie Breeding chart.

 

[MysteryChicken]

I know that Red Pyle can be made with Dominant White, but I don't think recessive white can produce Red Pyle.

 

[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

Paint Silkie Breeding chart.

That chart doesn't make much sense. Paint, itself, is kind of a 'split'; it's caused by dominant White split to Black, or in other words one copy of dominant White on an otherwise Black bird. You could maybe make the argument for White split because some Paints have little to no 'paint spots', but Black split? And if that is what they mean by White split, then that's not what you'd get from crossing two 'White split' birds. Not accurate info at all.

Buff x - paint with gold leakage or black with gold leakage
Recessive white x - depends on what’s under the recessive white
Black x - 50% paints and 50% blacks
Splash x - 50% blue paints and 50% blues
Red pyle x - Depends on the genetics of the red pyle

As for the original question, I agree with this assessment of what you'll get. True Red Pyles are usually dominant White over Red Duckwing, though some are Splash Red Duckwing as well, and some White birds with Red leakage can look pretty convincingly like Red Pyle as well, so without knowing which your bird is, it's hard to give conclusive answers there.

 

[MysteryChicken]

That chart doesn't make much sense. Paint, itself, is kind of a 'split'; it's caused by dominant White split to Black, or in other words one copy of dominant White on an otherwise Black bird. You could maybe make the argument for White split because some Paints have little to no 'paint spots', but Black split? And if that is what they mean by White split, then that's not what you'd get from crossing two 'White split' birds. Not accurate info at all.




As for the original question, I agree with this assessment of what you'll get. True Red Pyles are usually dominant White over Red Duckwing, though some are Splash Red Duckwing as well, and some White birds with Red leakage can look pretty convincingly like Red Pyle as well, so without knowing which your bird is, it's hard to give conclusive answers there.

It was the only chart I could find for paint.

But yeah, there are White, & Black Splits, & breeding paints to black is supposed to create better patterned paints.

 

[ChloeSilkie08]

It was the only chart I could find for paint.

But yeah, there are White, & Black Splits, & breeding paints to black is supposed to create better patterned paints.

Yes I know all about the paint genetics except for what happens when you breed to a different color.

 

[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

Uhhh, no, there's no such thing as a 'Black split' with Paint. A lot of people, when Paint Silkies first came into popularity, thought there was a 'Paint gene' and spread a lot of misinformation about that, but the truth is that there is no such gene. It's simply the effect of a single copy of dominant White on Black, as has been seen in hatchery egg laying hybrids, and in Erminettes, since long before the Paint Silkie became popular.