Breeds needing preservation - how rare

[halo]

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Now, I dont mean to start a war here, but in looking at these 2 barred rocks, the type on the hatchery roo is actually nicer to my eye than the show quality roo, other than the barring being nicer. Neck is better, back is better, tail carriage is better. If I were to pick one to add to a barred flock, Id choose the hatchery roo, as being closer to the standard.

And that is why hatchery birds are available. For those who prefer birds that conform less to the standard. It keeps variety in the gene pool, but in the case of preservation, it really does little to maintain the breed.

If you refer to the photo in the SOP, the hatchery roo looks more to the standard. But thats just my opinion; maybe its just a poor photo of the "show" barred rock. But if you go point by point, and look at the picture, the hatchery roo is typier.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

I'm sorry but I guess I'm not seeing where you're defining type?? I suppose the only part that I could see your point would be that the hatchery male is horizontal whereas mine is slanted looking at the female behind him?

The breast is in the hatchery bird is not as full, the abdomen is not as rounded, the tail fans too much and looks more dominique than Barred Plymouth Rock, the Barring is not as crisp, the back actually makes a "swoop" rather than coming straight up from the base of the neck.

I suppose if I showed the non-cropped photo you would be able to see the hen squawking right behind him. I will try to take some more photos today. The bright side to this is that in real life, he has very good type. Something that is just not shown in photos. That's it! I will follow him around with a video and choose photos from in there... LOL

There are several faults in my own bird that Steve has been so gracious to address. One in particular is the comb...I'm hoping that the hens will have better once they are finished. That's where the fun of breeding comes in! (What will go best with what to get what I'm after?? I LOVE it!)

 

[speckledhen]

Mika, you asked if you could use one of my photos. I PMd you the link to the bird I think you are referring to.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Thank you Speckledhen and FrontPorthIndiana for the use of your photos!!

This cockerel is one or two generations from hatchery stock. See what happens when you have a goal in mind???

Congrats speckledhen! Excellent work!

And this is my Cockerel, exhibition lines:

 

[speckledhen]

I sure wish another guy would come out like that boy. Eventually, I do plan to get some hatching eggs from someone like Dick Horstmann to improve on them, but other projects are in the works at the moment.

 

[DiVon80]

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If you raise a threatened breed maybe you should think about joining a group that works to preserve them..... Just a thought.

Steve in NC

But how are they preserving a breed without actually breeding towards a standard of some sort? Isn't the point of preserving something (anything in this instance) for the protection of the breed characteristics? Rather than the characteristics chosen for that breed being lost?

How do you know they are not? What if they are buying from a breeder.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

I don't believe I understand your question fully DiVon?

 

[TimG]

Buying an rare bird from a breeder does help preserve the breed, it creates a market for them and thus encourages the breeder to produce more of this breed.

So, if I go out and but six <insert rare breed> hens from a breeder and keep them solely for egg production, I am doing something. Not as much as I would be doing if I also bought a rooster and embarked on a breeding program of my own which aimed at improving or maintaining certain breed characteristics. But, doing something nonetheless.

If I bought six hens and a rooster and bred them, but did not work towards improving or maintaining the breed characteristics, one could easily argue that I would be doing more harm to the breed than help. But, in the case of a truly rare or endangered breed, I would think that poor specimen are better than no specimen.

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

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Rodriguezpoultry,
Did you get gooseandduck farm's permission before you lifted and posted their picture from their website????
Sharon

Are people suggesting that a link to a publicly available picture, direct from the picture's source, used for non-commercial purposes is a copyright infringement? It's not like he downloaded the picture, placed it on his own site and failed to give credit. Everybody who saw it, saw it directly from the source. And, the link was right there for everyone to see.

Did anyone else notice that Goose and Duck Farm called this a "Bard rock"? If I were them, I would claim some hacker entered their site and placed the picture there, how else could a "Bard rock" make it onto a chicken site?

Yes that is exactly what I am saying, just because a pic or logo is up for viewing does not give you the right to use it for any means without the owners permission. commercial or non commercial make no differnece - ask the people that got busted for downloading movies and music - it was on the net and availible.

 

[DiVon80]

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Now, I dont mean to start a war here, but in looking at these 2 barred rocks, the type on the hatchery roo is actually nicer to my eye than the show quality roo, other than the barring being nicer. Neck is better, back is better, tail carriage is better. If I were to pick one to add to a barred flock, Id choose the hatchery roo, as being closer to the standard.

THANK YOU!!!I thought I was seeing things or the pictures were crossed but, I would take the hatchery bird. You don't know that these birds arent comming from a breeder. Breeders need a place for there culls... Some breeders breed 100's and rather then klll them...