To all those out there looking for another incubator i just listed my Octagon 10 with Automatic Turner for auction under "Everything Else for Sale". It is in perfect shape and works like it was new. Many, many memories associated with this incubator. I have even used it to keep premature dachshund puppies warm while they were waiting to be fed. Now i have a new Octagon 20 and may the hatching begin! Ruth :0