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Yep high cholesterol, caused my heart attack.
Yep high cholesterol, caused my heart attack.
Brown eggs have less cholesterol
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My husband takes statins, because his cholesterol and particularly triglycerides were through the ROOF, despite his being at a healthy weight, active, and young at the time of diagnosis. We tried every diet--low-carb, no-carb, lowfat, vegetarian, vegan, food-combining, you name it. His numbers just never came down, and he was starting to develop secondary health problems. So he started on statins, and showed a remarkable improvement. We do worry about side effects, but in the risk/benefit analysis for him, we seem to have made the right decision.
Interestingly, during all our extreme dietary changes over the course of a year or so, MY cholesterol, which is just within "normal" range, never budged more than a point or two. I could live on bacon and eggs or greens and oat-bran, and my cholesterol's gonna be the same either way. Go figure. Wish I could say the same about my weight!
Interestingly, during all our extreme dietary changes over the course of a year or so, MY cholesterol, which is just within "normal" range, never budged more than a point or two. I could live on bacon and eggs or greens and oat-bran, and my cholesterol's gonna be the same either way. Go figure. Wish I could say the same about my weight!
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I am also not sold on statins for cholesterol lowering. I do find merit in the statin/dementia argument.
they work for me
didnt this thread start off talking about eggs
The name of this thread is "Brown eggs have less cholesterol" The topic is cholesterol in brown eggs.
Study the issue-folks-people die everyday because they take the drugs for cholesterol. Sad, but extremely true!!! In studies it was shown that eating an egg a day actually lowered peoples cholesterol who had high cholesterol. (not that I believe that cholesterol is something to be concerned about) but if you are concerned, check out all the studies that were done that proves eggs lower a high cholesterol level.
Edited to say, check out who funds the studies when making your decision. If it is the people who want to promote a product that uses fake eggs, or only the egg whites-you got your answer right there!!!!
I am also not sold on statins for cholesterol lowering. I do find merit in the statin/dementia argument.
they work for me
didnt this thread start off talking about eggs
The name of this thread is "Brown eggs have less cholesterol" The topic is cholesterol in brown eggs.
Study the issue-folks-people die everyday because they take the drugs for cholesterol. Sad, but extremely true!!! In studies it was shown that eating an egg a day actually lowered peoples cholesterol who had high cholesterol. (not that I believe that cholesterol is something to be concerned about) but if you are concerned, check out all the studies that were done that proves eggs lower a high cholesterol level.
Edited to say, check out who funds the studies when making your decision. If it is the people who want to promote a product that uses fake eggs, or only the egg whites-you got your answer right there!!!!
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they work for me
didnt this thread start off talking about eggs
The name of this thread is "Brown eggs have less cholesterol" The topic is cholesterol in brown eggs.
Study the issue-folks-people die everyday because they take the drugs for cholesterol. Sad, but extremely true!!! In studies it was shown that eating an egg a day actually lowered peoples cholesterol who had high cholesterol. (not that I believe that cholesterol is something to be concerned about) but if you are concerned, check out all the studies that were done that proves eggs lower a high cholesterol level.
People die from heart disease everyday too. Maybe it doesnt affect everyone the same, but an egg a day doesnt lower cholesterol, at least not mine. And a few more people that I know.
they work for me
didnt this thread start off talking about eggs
The name of this thread is "Brown eggs have less cholesterol" The topic is cholesterol in brown eggs.
Study the issue-folks-people die everyday because they take the drugs for cholesterol. Sad, but extremely true!!! In studies it was shown that eating an egg a day actually lowered peoples cholesterol who had high cholesterol. (not that I believe that cholesterol is something to be concerned about) but if you are concerned, check out all the studies that were done that proves eggs lower a high cholesterol level.
People die from heart disease everyday too. Maybe it doesnt affect everyone the same, but an egg a day doesnt lower cholesterol, at least not mine. And a few more people that I know.
there HAS to be some connection between high cholesterol and strokes and heart disease
Of people who develop coronary heart disease, half have elevated cholesterol levels. Half DO NOT. There is disagreement about what causes heart attacks. The standard belief that cholesterol clogs your arteries and gives you a heart attack is what is known as the "lipid hypothesis".
"During the 70s and 80s, some researchers and practitioners considered the lipid hypothesis as unverified due to the lack of proof at that time that lowering blood cholesterol levels resulted in decreased risk for atherosclerosis.[19] Some skeptics were questioning its validity by arguing that the studies supporting it were flawed.[20][21] This discussion is also referred to as the "cholesterol controversy." Predictions were made at the time that further research during the 1980s and 1990s would help settle this controversy.[22] However, even after the Coronary Primary Prevention Trial and the NIH Consensus Conference in the mid 80s, criticism persisted in a minority of the scientific community questioning the statistical and mechanistic significance of the associations measured in the trials and the conclusions of the panel.[23]
In the following years, studies with lipid- and cholesterol-lowering drugs such as statins provided further associative evidence in support of the lipid hypothesis.[24][25][26] This was questioned on the basis that the positive effect of statins may be due to other effects than cholesterol-lowering - a meta-analysis of cholesterol-lowering trials demonstrated that coronary mortality was not lowered by cholesterol lowering, but total mortality was increased.[27] Further studies were designed in the hope of settling the controversy.[28][29][30] The continuing consensus regards the lipid hypothesis as proven; but disagreement still persists among a small group who argue that it is based on associations and misrepresented or overinterpreted data, and has not been shown as a scientifically validated causal mechanism.[17][31][32]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis
"The lipid hypothesis of heart disease is, as Dickens wrote of Scrooges partner, Jacob Marley, dead as a doornail, yet, like Marleys ghost, it continues to haunt us. Why? Because the idea that cholesterol causes heart diseasethe lipid hypothesishas been so frequently repeated for so many years that doctors have forgotten that it is only a hypothesis, not a fact.
In simplistic terms the lipid hypothesis is as follows:
a) cholesterol and/or fat in the diet leads to cholesterol and/or fat in the blood;
b) cholesterol and/or fat in the blood causes plaque formation in the arteries and, consequently, heart disease; and, therefore
c) cholesterol and/or fat in the diet causes heart disease.
Sounds simple enough, but problem is there is no hard science behind it. There is a bit of weak, but not fully convincing science that purports to prove a. Less science yet that proves b. Yet were all to believe a leads to b and, therefore, causes c.
One scientifically verified fact disproves the whole lot: only about half the people who have heart attacks have elevated cholesterol levels."
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/the-lipid-hypothesis/
Of people who develop coronary heart disease, half have elevated cholesterol levels. Half DO NOT. There is disagreement about what causes heart attacks. The standard belief that cholesterol clogs your arteries and gives you a heart attack is what is known as the "lipid hypothesis".
"During the 70s and 80s, some researchers and practitioners considered the lipid hypothesis as unverified due to the lack of proof at that time that lowering blood cholesterol levels resulted in decreased risk for atherosclerosis.[19] Some skeptics were questioning its validity by arguing that the studies supporting it were flawed.[20][21] This discussion is also referred to as the "cholesterol controversy." Predictions were made at the time that further research during the 1980s and 1990s would help settle this controversy.[22] However, even after the Coronary Primary Prevention Trial and the NIH Consensus Conference in the mid 80s, criticism persisted in a minority of the scientific community questioning the statistical and mechanistic significance of the associations measured in the trials and the conclusions of the panel.[23]
In the following years, studies with lipid- and cholesterol-lowering drugs such as statins provided further associative evidence in support of the lipid hypothesis.[24][25][26] This was questioned on the basis that the positive effect of statins may be due to other effects than cholesterol-lowering - a meta-analysis of cholesterol-lowering trials demonstrated that coronary mortality was not lowered by cholesterol lowering, but total mortality was increased.[27] Further studies were designed in the hope of settling the controversy.[28][29][30] The continuing consensus regards the lipid hypothesis as proven; but disagreement still persists among a small group who argue that it is based on associations and misrepresented or overinterpreted data, and has not been shown as a scientifically validated causal mechanism.[17][31][32]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis
"The lipid hypothesis of heart disease is, as Dickens wrote of Scrooges partner, Jacob Marley, dead as a doornail, yet, like Marleys ghost, it continues to haunt us. Why? Because the idea that cholesterol causes heart diseasethe lipid hypothesishas been so frequently repeated for so many years that doctors have forgotten that it is only a hypothesis, not a fact.
In simplistic terms the lipid hypothesis is as follows:
a) cholesterol and/or fat in the diet leads to cholesterol and/or fat in the blood;
b) cholesterol and/or fat in the blood causes plaque formation in the arteries and, consequently, heart disease; and, therefore
c) cholesterol and/or fat in the diet causes heart disease.
Sounds simple enough, but problem is there is no hard science behind it. There is a bit of weak, but not fully convincing science that purports to prove a. Less science yet that proves b. Yet were all to believe a leads to b and, therefore, causes c.
One scientifically verified fact disproves the whole lot: only about half the people who have heart attacks have elevated cholesterol levels."
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/the-lipid-hypothesis/
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As I said before, doctors are sincere in their methods, but they are sincerely wrong!!!! How many hours of nutrition classes do you think they listen to? The doctor's and nurses I've asked this question have answered a half an hour, and one actually had 2 hours. In all the years of studying to become a doctor/nurse, and they only gave them a half an hour on nutrition?!! Come on!!! No wonder the world is so sick!!!!
As I said before, doctors are sincere in their methods, but they are sincerely wrong!!!! How many hours of nutrition classes do you think they listen to? The doctor's and nurses I've asked this question have answered a half an hour, and one actually had 2 hours. In all the years of studying to become a doctor/nurse, and they only gave them a half an hour on nutrition?!! Come on!!! No wonder the world is so sick!!!!
By the way, you're talking to someone who got tired of being on antibiotics and pain medication for nine months out of the year-that is, until I decided to take my health into my own hands! Now if we go in to the doctor (to get their diagnosis) we end up paying the new patient fee every time because our records have been archived, and they didn't even know we had been a patient at the clinic for 20 years!!! (They archive the records if a patient hasn't come in for the last 5 years) I'd far rather take an herb or vitamin (whole food vitamin only) than be in the doctor's office twice a month like I used to be over 20 years ago!!!!
I got tired of the "if you got a virus, just take an antibiotic, no it won't help get rid of the virus, but it will keep you from getting an infection" scenario a long time ago-that only led me to have chronic yeast infections, which took years to get rid of!!!
You know there's something wrong when people in other countries quit paying their doctor when they get sick, they pay them to keep them well by using herbs, and the doctor's in those countries treat the cause of the symptom, and doctor's in this country treat the symptom, not the causeof the illness. Totally different philosophy!!
So now when people ask me about cholesterol in eggs, I make sure they know there is a whole different philosophy out there that works!!!
I got tired of the "if you got a virus, just take an antibiotic, no it won't help get rid of the virus, but it will keep you from getting an infection" scenario a long time ago-that only led me to have chronic yeast infections, which took years to get rid of!!!
You know there's something wrong when people in other countries quit paying their doctor when they get sick, they pay them to keep them well by using herbs, and the doctor's in those countries treat the cause of the symptom, and doctor's in this country treat the symptom, not the causeof the illness. Totally different philosophy!!
So now when people ask me about cholesterol in eggs, I make sure they know there is a whole different philosophy out there that works!!!
I dont take meds for anything and everything, but eggs do raise your cholesterol. But I see that youve got your mind made up. I ate eggs every single day before my heart attack. And my Triglycerides hasnt ever been very high at all, But the Cholesterol was thru the roof. And now Ive stopped eating eggs, am on a low fat low cholesterol diet, and statins, my chlolesterol is getting down close to normal.
I worked in lipid research for more years than I care to admit. The simple answer is that genetics plays such a huge role in the cholesterol question. I've seen 350lb guys with cholesterols of 150, who swore they ate bacon and scrapple for breakfast every day and rail thin folks with cholesterol and triglycerides through the roof. I also worked with kids suffering from hyperlipidemia, who's cholesterols were 400 and their triglycerides in the thousands! And they don't usually live to ripe old ages.
Genetics plays such a huge role that it is impossible to make any sweeping across the board generalizations one way or the other.
In Ninja's husband's case, if there is a history of heart disease in the family to go with his elevated lipids, it is pretty much a no-brainer to get on a cholesterol lowering drug.
Genetics plays such a huge role that it is impossible to make any sweeping across the board generalizations one way or the other.
In Ninja's husband's case, if there is a history of heart disease in the family to go with his elevated lipids, it is pretty much a no-brainer to get on a cholesterol lowering drug.
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