Buff Orpington pullet with huge swollen thigh on Left leg- Help/advice needed!

Good to hear she's suffered no post-op blues (was really worried over the lancing)-;~

The additional epsom salt baths most probably spared her from severe complications, and her bein' picky is most probably the result of bein' slightly spoiled,whcih we all tend to do to the sick. One caution, as this also happens -- too much of a good thing, in that too many of the vitamins and supplements and electrolytes and good foods and ... you wind up w/ a poisoned bird.

Goin' outside does her much good, as the social interaction w/ the flock compels her to get better quicker ... they long most to be members of the group, after all, and isolation actually triggers the analgesic response similar to injury. Using her muscles is the best way to work the swelling out.

You could continue to give aspirin in the water, even if to the entire flock ... hope she improves!
 
So glad to hear she is progressing.
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She is fortunate to have you
 
One last suggestion. I was just reading in the natural chicken keeping thread and they mentioned using a drawing salve called ichthammol ointment. I remember my dad using it and using it on us as kids. (45 years ago) It was black, thick, smelly and would draw out just about anything in just a day or two. Lasts forever in the tube. Perhaps that's worth a try. I haven't been able to find it in my local pharmacy but the poster said she buys it at tractor supply. Continued good luck.
 
One last suggestion. I was just reading in the natural chicken keeping thread and they mentioned using a drawing salve called ichthammol ointment. I remember my dad using it and using it on us as kids. (45 years ago) It was black, thick, smelly and would draw out just about anything in just a day or two. Lasts forever in the tube. Perhaps that's worth a try. I haven't been able to find it in my local pharmacy but the poster said she buys it at tractor supply. Continued good luck.

Ichtammol Ointment (ammonium bituminosulfonate) can be obtained online from CVS Pharmacy or Amazon in small tubes, for about 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the product Tractor Supply offers (in store only ~'-)
 
A drawing ointment can't hurt but at this point I am wondering if its cellulitis or some other bacterial infection, like staph or e.coli, that does not produce pus.

Other than trying to lance a dry wound, which I also might have tired, it sounds like you are doing the right things, especially keeping her moving and active BUT...and this is coming from someone one who treats everything naturally and doesn't even worm....sometimes antibiotics are a good thing and after two weeks I am thinking this might be one of those times.

Here is an article about cellulitis in chickens, it for commercial growers but I though it might be useful:

http://www.canadianpoultry.ca/skin_scratches.htm
 
Other than trying to lance a dry wound, which I also might have tired, it sounds like you are doing the right things, especially keeping her moving and active BUT...and this is coming from someone one who treats everything naturally and doesn't even worm....sometimes antibiotics are a good thing and after two weeks I am thinking this might be one of those times.

First: Let me say that all poultry requires some form of anthelmintic, whether natural or otherwise, in order to control worms, which will otherwise harm and kill your birds.

Second: I discourage folks from using antibiotics internally w/o determining that what they're gonna use is known to be effective against what their bird(s) has ... and, even then? Close review of the 'black box' warnings rules out many of 'em, if they ever plan to eat the bird, or it's eggs ever again.

Third: I'm not sure if each of the following (which I found upon blog.grasslandbeef.com) would prove safe for chickens, but it's most certainly worthy of consideration:

#1 – Garlic

Garlic has been used as medicine for thousands of years. And for good reason. As a natural antibiotic, garlic destroys a wide variety of pathogens – from H. pylori and the flu… to pneumonia and the dreaded MRSA.

How does it work?

One of garlic’s primary constituents, allicin, breaks down to more than 100 bioactive compounds that interact and combine with one another. As these compounds combine, they form thousands of new therapeutic combinations that microbes can’t easily circumvent. Not only does garlic have direct and immediate action against microbes, but using it can help reduce the growing problem of antibiotic resistance.

What’s more, garlic was recently found to stimulate infection-fighting white blood cells of the immune system called naturals killers (NK).

Eating garlic regularly in its raw form is a great way to keep your immune system in tip-top shape and wipe out bugs before they can take hold. At the first sign of illness, take one to two raw, pressed garlic cloves every few hours. (NOTE: A clove is one of the small pieces that break off and comprise the “head” of garlic. I want to make this distinction as many people think a clove is a head of garlic.) Be sure to have something on your stomach. Raw garlic can cause discomfort. If you take any medication, be sure to talk with your doctor before consuming large quantities of garlic.

# 2 – Olive Leaf

Olive leaf, from the same tree that brings us olives, has a long history of medicinal use, as well. Recent studies show that powerful compounds in olive leaf – including hydroxytyrosol and oleuropein – are effective against a wide variety of bacteria and viruses. They are also potent at combating forms of yeast, mold, fungi and parasites.

Look for olive leaf extract in capsule form.

# 3 – Oil of Oregano

Like garlic and olive leaf, oregano is also powerfully effective against viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites. In studies, oil of oregano was found to destroy a variety of some of the nastiest pathogens known to man including E. coli, Giardia, Staphylococcus, Klebsiella, Candida albicans, Campylobacter and more.

Oregano’s most powerful constituents are carvacrol and thymol. But research shows that using oregano in its whole form is far more effective than when the compounds are used in isolation.

Oil of oregano is also a potent antioxidant and anti-inflammatory agent.

Be sure to choose wild crafted oil of oregano to get the most benefit.
 
Thanks kacklinkelly for mentioning the Ictammol ointment! I had not heard of it before, and I may look into it, at least for the future.

I appreciate your suggestion aggiemae, but I tend to agree with cowcreekgeek that it is usually not wise or profitable in the long run to use antibiotics on poultry.

Actually, I am quite familiar with your suggestions, cowcreekgeek, and heartily agree that they are excellent natural remedies to fight infection! I actually had just done a 10 day period of giving organic garlic powder in our chicken feed in early December at about 1 percent of the feed, after reading a few articles on the benefits of garlic for poultry. I would have gone longer, but I ran out and Organic Garlic powder is rather expensive if you are feeding nearly 50 chickens. Also, when I first brought Goosie inside, I actually did mix 1 drop of pure Therapeutic Oregano oil into her morning feed, and I believe she ate a few bites, but after that she refused to eat any regular feed, and at first I attributed it to the strong taste of the Oregano, but now in hindsight I believe it was because of all the other treats and special foods I was offering her. ;-) Thankfully, after one day outside, I was thrilled to see Goosie hop down from the roost yesterday morning, and start eating the regular (warmed and moistened during the winter) layer feed! Yay! Now this may be a good time to give them another garlic dose in their feed, for Goosie's sake as well as all the other hens. They didn't seem to mind the garlic taste at all, and it made the coop smell like a Mediterranean restaurant! ;-D

Thanks again to everyone for their kind thoughts and helpful suggestions! I have high hopes now that Goosie will win the battle against this infection/swelling and I will be sure to let you know of any further progress that she makes.

~Joy
 
Thanks kacklinkelly for mentioning the Ictammol ointment! I had not heard of it before, and I may look into it, at least for the future.

I appreciate your suggestion aggiemae, but I tend to agree with cowcreekgeek that it is usually not wise or profitable in the long run to use antibiotics on poultry.

Actually, I am quite familiar with your suggestions, cowcreekgeek, and heartily agree that they are excellent natural remedies to fight infection! I actually had just done a 10 day period of giving organic garlic powder in our chicken feed in early December at about 1 percent of the feed, after reading a few articles on the benefits of garlic for poultry. I would have gone longer, but I ran out and Organic Garlic powder is rather expensive if you are feeding nearly 50 chickens. Also, when I first brought Goosie inside, I actually did mix 1 drop of pure Therapeutic Oregano oil into her morning feed, and I believe she ate a few bites, but after that she refused to eat any regular feed, and at first I attributed it to the strong taste of the Oregano, but now in hindsight I believe it was because of all the other treats and special foods I was offering her. ;-) Thankfully, after one day outside, I was thrilled to see Goosie hop down from the roost yesterday morning, and start eating the regular (warmed and moistened during the winter) layer feed! Yay! Now this may be a good time to give them another garlic dose in their feed, for Goosie's sake as well as all the other hens. They didn't seem to mind the garlic taste at all, and it made the coop smell like a Mediterranean restaurant! ;-D

Thanks again to everyone for their kind thoughts and helpful suggestions! I have high hopes now that Goosie will win the battle against this infection/swelling and I will be sure to let you know of any further progress that she makes.

~Joy

To clarify ...
I'm not suggesting folks rule out the use of all antibiotics --
  • there are some that warn folks not to use 'em in birds intended for food, and most people just keep on eatin' the eggs w/o any concern for the harm they're doing.
  • there are appropriate uses for specific antibiotics, which I encourage folks to do, provided that they dose at the proper levels, and for the proper length of time.

Although I, too, prefer natural alternatives? I personally use amprolium, fenbendazole and permethrin to control internal parasites, simply because I know that these things are remarkably safe for even the sickest birds, and highly effective. Amprolium, by the way, is allowed in organic operations. So are the artificially produces enzymes, at least for now ...

Permethrin, for example, is a man-made version of the permethrum (which is a natural insecticide). It's actually safer than the permethrum, and it breaks down completely w/in about a month, provided it's used w/o a synergist (typically piperonyl butoxide). In fact? There's one lady on here that was using an 'all natural insecticide' that actually killed a few folks last year.

Too often, folks pick one side of the fence, or the other ... guess that's what we've learned, in 'choosing sides' during conflict. And, certainly, everybody's got the right to raise chickens they way they prefer to, but it make far better sense to pick 'n choose what serves your needs best.

Again? Not knockin' the all-natural way ... just sayin' there's a precious few folks on here that could ever hope to be certified anyhow, and even if it's organic? It's still chemistry.

>> peck here << for Cornell University's reference guide to plants that are medicinal for livestock, and those that may prove poisonous to 'em (far from complete, but it's accurate ~'-)
 
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You can get a small bottle of injectible Penicillin for $9-16 in the frig at most feed stores, if you decide to go that route. Get a bottle that's labeled for use in cattle. No prescription is needed. If the kind you buy has Procaine added, that slows down & spreads out the medicine entering your bird's system, though the treatment is less potent because it's absorbed more slowly.
There are instructions on giving injections on the Poultry Podiatry page linked in my sig below.
I am not sure if oral forms of Penicillin works well for chickens--I've read things that make me think yes & another that makes me think no.

Penicillin is very good for treating many staph infections, including Bumblefoot. It can bring a major turnaround with an infected wound in many cases.
 
I appreciate your suggestion aggiemae, but I tend to agree with cowcreekgeek that it is usually not wise or profitable in the long run to use antibiotics on poultry.


~Joy
No problem but I guess you miss where I said that I am "someone one who treats everything naturally and doesn't even worm" my hens.

I wanted to add that I have given two or (at most) three doses of antibiotics to my hens in 25 over years and how heartily agree that they are used as the first line of defense (most often needlessly) and it was not a suggestion that I tool lightly. I am glad to know that your hen is recovering but urge you research cellulitis in chickens for future reference.
 
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