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[ShrekDawg]

I've managed to resist up to now....
This is Sunny. He's a long haired Rottweiler with a tail. He almost came with me to Catalonia. I got 'given' him when the person who bought him found they couldn't cope.View attachment 1648213

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This is Blacky. He didn't belong to anyone. We all belonged to him. Him, his Mother, and
Grandmother were all born and raised here on what used to be a farm before the current owners turned up and tyrned the place into a wasteland. Blacky's mother wouldn't leave when the place got sold and Blacky was born shortly after. If there is/was a single animal here that isn't a chicken that best represents me in all those important areas, attitude, hygiene, dress code etc Blacky is that animal.
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Of course, many want dogs for protection and certainly in the UK some of the younger generation thought certain types of dog would make them look tough.
If one wanted to walk the walk rather than just talk the talk then this chap on a lead would clear a path on any pavement.View attachment 1648221
His name is Phoenix and he'll knock down a donkey.

Wow beautiful dogs!! And sheep.

I'd like to see a video of you with Phoenix on a leash strolling through town clearing all the paths! Sounds like you'd have to hold on with both hands.

X2 lol

I've never seen a long haired Rottweiler - is he a mix? The beautiful coat sure softens the look

Me neither, he is gorgeous.

BTW Cocker Spaniels are not judged by hair. The English Cocker doesn't have much coat, is straighter in stifles, has a longer, narrower muzzle, higher ear set etc. Has lower tail set. There is a distinct difference in the two breeds.

The American Cocker has a broader muzzle, deeper stop, more angulation in rear, much more coat, flat, somewhat sloping topline, should have tail set off the top, lower set ears.
In motion his reach and drive are balanced(should be anyway) where an imaginary glass of water set on back wouldn't spill one imaginary drop of water.

Huh, never realized there was such a difference. Supposedly there is a really big difference between show and field ones too

No, afaik he is not a mix. Somewhere along the line breeders started cutting the poor dogs tails off and bred the short haired dog in favor of the long haired. I suppose some thought the short haired Rotty looked tough.
Rottweilers are herding dogs, not guard dogs. In the North of Germany these dogs herded cattle. They were heavy enough to 'lean' on the cattle's legs to make them move and agile enough to keep out of the way.
They didn't need to be particularly fast runners, but they can get up a decent pace over short distances. Of course, having a proper coat is rather important in cold climates.

Wow that’s really interesting.

Thank you Shad, for presenting something new for me to learn about.

X2

There are a few videos of Rottweilers herding cattle.

So cool!!

I burn it often myself Sean, good stuff



Shad we had a rottie and a potbellied pig at the same time. Martina, the dog, would herd Hammy and they'd play like crazy. They are great dogs!

Lol that’s awesome!!

Phoenix unfortunately was downright dangerous. You could walk him on a lead if he felt like it. he knocked me over quite a lot.
There was absolutely no malice in him. He was a bit like Tiger in Winnie the Poo. What Phoenix liked best was knocking things over.
We have a donkey here called Arran. He's big and used to be a bully to all the animls and humans except Blacky the dog in the picture above and as I found out, Phoenix.
Phoenix sort of escaped and got into the field with Arran. Arran, doing his usual 'I'm a hard nut act' decided he was going to bully Phoenix. Phoenix knocked Arran over and when Arran stood back up Phoenix kept him pinned in a corner of the field for a couple of hours.
It was very funny to watch.

LOL OMG!!

They are the SAME dog only difference is where they where born here or Europe !



36 years ago went to Germany brought a nice Long coated Rott dog to a german friend in Juneau.. it is trait bred away from in the USA

Morning all second cup almost gone

Yes but theoretically there would have to be at least some differences between the Malinois and the other Belgian Shepherds, right? I mean, they are bred primarily for police and military now while I don’t think the other varieties are so surely that would make them a little more intense energy and drive/work ethic wise? And maybe a bit harder in personality? Much like show Border Collies versus working, herding ones, or show and field (English and American) Labs. All the same breed technically but vastly different dog and could be separated. But I do not have experience with the other Belgian Shepherds so maybe they do have just as much drive and energy but I wouldn’t think they would have quite as much or else no one would want to live with them? I have heard the Tervs (long haired tan ones) have a bit more energy than some of the others. Theoretically they should all be the exact same and all 4 varieties could all be born in one litter but I don’t think that is happening currently? I think they are breeding true and separate? But maybe not.

 

[pennyJo1960]

They are all the same how many ways do I need to say this

 

[Shadrach]

Hey, I still want the coffee you make! I promise to only defile the coffee I make myself, ok?

Okay, but I'm going to be checking your cup.

 

[Bamabexchicks]

Well that's okay then. I'll still make coffee for you.

Ah-ha! Your secrets out...you are a sweetheart! I knew it!

 

[igorsMistress]

Wow beautiful dogs!! And sheep.



X2 lol



Me neither, he is gorgeous.



Huh, never realized there was such a difference. Supposedly there is a really big difference between show and field ones too



Wow that’s really interesting.



X2



So cool!!



Lol that’s awesome!!



LOL OMG!!



Yes but theoretically there would have to be at least some differences between the Malinois and the other Belgian Shepherds, right? I mean, they are bred primarily for police and military now while I don’t think the other varieties are so surely that would make them a little more intense energy and drive/work ethic wise? And maybe a bit harder in personality? Much like show Border Collies versus working, herding ones, or show and field (English and American) Labs. All the same breed technically but vastly different dog and could be separated. But I do not have experience with the other Belgian Shepherds so maybe they do have just as much drive and energy but I wouldn’t think they would have quite as much or else no one would want to live with them? I have heard the Tervs (long haired tan ones) have a bit more energy than some of the others. Theoretically they should all be the exact same and all 4 varieties could all be born in one litter but I don’t think that is happening currently? I think they are breeding true and separate? But maybe not.

You can breed for specific traits but dogs still have their own personalities. Some are too sweet and others may not be smart enough. Dogs are like humans in that regard. I also think breed isn't a factor for skill. These dogs are picked because they're typically big enough to seriously hurt a human, trainable and intimidating to the general public based on reputation.

 

[Shadrach]

Ah-ha! Your secrets out...you are a sweetheart! I knew it!View attachment 1648816

Yeah, but I'm the green sweetheart.

 

[pennyJo1960]

You can breed for specific traits but dogs still have their own personalities. Some are too sweet and others may not be smart enough. Dogs are like humans in that regard. I also think breed isn't a factor for skill. These dogs are picked because they're typically big enough to seriously hurt a human, trainable and intimidating to the general public based on reputation.

Thank you

 

[ShrekDawg]

They are all the same how many ways do I need to say this

I know they are but haven’t the Mals been bred to be different? Stronger, faster, meaner or whatever? Maybe not, I really don’t know. I believe the other 3 varieties are still the exact same dog and breed, but I think the Malinois variety specifically has been separated and bred for a different purpose is all I’m saying. I never see any of the other varieties in the police and military or doing protection sports is all I meant. They’re the same breed but our military breeds a special kind of dog for very specific purposes. Heck, maybe the military Mals are even vastly different than the average Mal, and not an accurate representation of the breed, idk

You can breed for specific traits but dogs still have their own personalities. Some are too sweet and others may not be smart enough. Dogs are like humans in that regard. I also think breed isn't a factor for skill. These dogs are picked because they're typically big enough to seriously hurt a human, trainable and intimidating to the general public based on reputation.

Hm, that is true, maybe it is not so much the breed but the individual traits of the dog. But I still think that Malinois have been bred to be different.

 

[pennyJo1960]

Kripes almighty how many ways do I need to say this walking from thread for awhile
THEY ARE THE SAME DOG AS

 

[Bamabexchicks]

I've managed to resist up to now....
This is Sunny. He's a long haired Rottweiler with a tail. He almost came with me to Catalonia. I got 'given' him when the person who bought him found they couldn't cope.View attachment 1648213

View attachment 1648214
This is Blacky. He didn't belong to anyone. We all belonged to him. Him, his Mother, and
Grandmother were all born and raised here on what used to be a farm before the current owners turned up and tyrned the place into a wasteland. Blacky's mother wouldn't leave when the place got sold and Blacky was born shortly after. If there is/was a single animal here that isn't a chicken that best represents me in all those important areas, attitude, hygiene, dress code etc Blacky is that animal.
View attachment 1648217
Of course, many want dogs for protection and certainly in the UK some of the younger generation thought certain types of dog would make them look tough.
If one wanted to walk the walk rather than just talk the talk then this chap on a lead would clear a path on any pavement.View attachment 1648221
His name is Phoenix and he'll knock down a donkey.

Sunny is lovely, I knew a breeder in Ohio that was developing a line of long haired Rotties
They also had proper tails. I found them to be calmer than shorthaired Rots. Maybe because he was also breeding for temperment.