BYC Genetic/Breed Calculator Huge Task Ahead!

[Rose Quartz]

Anything y'all want me to do? (That I might understand lol )

Im not sure. want to see if you can figure out if "tinted" eggs mean they are colored with brown all the way through the shell?

Im guessing that must be what it means, but i havent tried finding an answer to that yet. Im not really sure how to look for that info.

 

[LilJoe]

Im not sure. want to see if you can figure out if "tinted" eggs mean they are colored with brown all the way through the shell?

Im guessing that must be what it means, but i havent tried finding an answer to that yet. Im not really sure how to look for that info.

I thought tinted meant off-white coloring

 

[Rose Quartz]

I thought tinted meant off-white coloring

Yeah. It is. But of the eggs we looked at earlier the brown on the inside of the shell was a lot lighter than the outside.

The only other instances m coming across the word tinted is with reference to blue, or people talking about pink. But they dont call the dark brown tint, it s referred to as paint or color.

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Recently I have been looking in to genetic calculators, however most of them have faulty English and are very old and confusing.I have seen a few threads suggesting that we need something like this, however they are mostly very old.The current calculators I've found are difficult to use, and very outdated. I think that BYC needs it's very own genetic calculator. However it will be a huge task, and it is just a suggestion, however I have done my best to make this experiment/project well fleshed out, and hopefully easy to act on.

What the calculator would need(Suggest anything I may be missing please, etc means I need way more suggestions):
-Comb types(rose,single,walnut,pea)
-Skin colour(black,white,yellow)
-Patterns(cuckoo, columbian, laced, etc)
-Colour(white,blue,buff,grey)
-Feather types(frizzle,smooth,silkie)
-Egg colour(green,pink,tan,white,brown,chocolate,blue)
-Earlobe Colour(white,red,blue)
-Number of toes(four,five)
-Feathered feet(yes or no?)
-Leg colour(green,blue,yellow,grey)

What the project needs:
-Artists/illustrators willing to work on potentially hundreds of images for each breed, colour, and possible offspring variants(I can help with this, as I am an artist and love to draw, although I most certainly can't do everything. So we'll need bases for each breed and feather type, I'll attempt to post bases if this is a go, and If you'd like to help, you can print them and colour them. Or colour them digitally)

-Genetics experts willing to come together to help create this generator, I have almost no knowledge on genetics, however there are so many knowledgeable people on BYC, so if you know about genetics, any help would be amazing.

-Coders, the people needed to put the generator/calculator together. They'll need to iron out bugs, and make sure it is clean and simple to use.

Other thoughts/ideas:
For ease of use there should be a way to choose a breed, and then a colour. However if the bird is an experimental colour or a cross breed there should be a way to choose body type, or breed baseline. There should also be a way to colour individual sections/feathers. Like this(Please note picture is not mine, and something like this wouldn't be the finished project EVER):
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Any advice and help would be amazing, and it will truly take alot to make this project possible.
I will post bases when possible, but for the meantime any advice would be great, and if this project becomes reality that would be amazing!

Maybe there could be a calculator for each part of the chicken? Like comb calculator, leg color calculator, egg color calculator, etc., so it wouldn't be as complex.

 

[Rose Quartz]

Maybe there could be a calculator for each part of the chicken? Like comb calculator, leg color calculator, egg color calculator, etc., so it wouldn't be as complex.

Thats a good idea.

 

[Amer]

GENES WITH VISIBLE EFFECT AND THICKNESS
OR EXTERNAL PIGMENTATION OF EGGSHELLS
Among 12 loci studied in one population, two, concerned
with plumage color, show an association with thickness and external
pigmentation of eggshells : Pullets with extended black compared with
restricted black plumage (E locus) and pullets with colored (ii) vs non-black
plumage (Ii) lay eggs with significantly thicker and more intensely pigmented
shells. A similar but less marked tendency seems to be associated, for shell thickness, with two other plumage color loci (C and S).

yep A4R you're gonna have to figure out the E thing.

I just figured it out! It's related to plumage and the distribution of black in the plumage! It's on the E locus with extended blackE/E, partridge, duckwing+, birchen ER, and wheaten. Yes E/E and ER/ER! I looked past the obvious first gene for Kippenjungle thinking it was a leg color, but it's actually a plumage color linked to stuff, especially the distribution of melanin overall, probably explaining the link between extended black, (E/E) and birchen(ER/ER) both dark colors with dark legs and the linkage between these different colors with dark eggs. I don't understand the part with the link between thickness of bloom, but with more melanin it would be darker! I got it!

fixed it, worked out the kinks. Some parts of it are still not adding up.

I got it!

A4R added some info to it.

White legs=W+/W+Id/Idewh/ewh
Slate= W+/W+id+/id+e+/e+ carrying white
Slate= w/wid+/id+e+/e+ carrying yellow

the E's are special. (I haven't looked in to it so I can't really explain.)

Look at kippenjungle. At the first locus. Plumage is linked with leg coloring!

That would make sense as the hen with slate has a father with yellow and mother with slate

You mean the hen with willow?

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Youve been a great help

I thought tinted meant off-white coloring

me too. Tinted. Like Silkie eggs.

 

[Amer]

Maybe there could be a calculator for each part of the chicken? Like comb calculator, leg color calculator, egg color calculator, etc., so it wouldn't be as complex.

Unfortunately I just found out they are all linked so that wouldn't work out. But we could do a simple one to do a trial run. I'm sure you'll learn the language of genetics though. I think I just did today.

 

[sylviethecochin]

Hello—haven't been receiving updates from this thread.

I'm absolutely no good with computers, but I'm reasonably skilled at genetics research and scientific paper-decipherage (majored in Bio) so I'm offering my sort-of skilled help, if there's anything left that needs researched. Colors? e-locus genes (pattern genes)? Pictures of some breeds/crossbreeds, if you want them...

Also, shank color is different from skin color, if anyone's still confused. Shank color is mostly independent from skin color, and is the reason that birds have different colored legs and undersides of feet.

(Do have a full-time job, though, so help may be limited.)

 

[Rose Quartz]

I just figured it out! It's related to plumage and the distribution of black in the plumage! It's on the E locus with extended blackE/E, partridge, duckwing+, birchen ER, and wheaten. Yes E/E and ER/ER! I looked past the obvious first gene for Kippenjungle thinking it was a leg color, but it's actually a plumage color linked to stuff, especially the distribution of melanin overall, probably explaining the link between extended black, (E/E) and birchen(ER/ER) both dark colors with dark legs and the linkage between these different colors with dark eggs. I don't understand the part with the link between thickness of bloom, but with more melanin it would be darker! I got it!

I got it!

Look at kippenjungle. At the first locus. Plumage is linked with leg coloring!

You mean the hen with willow?


me too. Tinted. Like Silkie eggs.

WOOO!!!! I got through the rest of that genetics miniseries today, I finally know that locus means location... and has nothing to do with grasshoppers. the thicker blooms will be darker because they're thicker, or possibly are thicker because they are forced to be darker by the extended black? I'm going to look into earlobe color tomorrow I think, to see how that relates to egg shell. I know comb types can affect it too. they're all tied together.

what do silkie eggs look like? on the inside?

 

[Rose Quartz]

Hello—haven't been receiving updates from this thread.

I'm absolutely no good with computers, but I'm reasonably skilled at genetics research and scientific paper-decipherage (majored in Bio) so I'm offering my sort-of skilled help, if there's anything left that needs researched. Colors? e-locus genes (pattern genes)? Pictures of some breeds/crossbreeds, if you want them...

Also, shank color is different from skin color, if anyone's still confused. Shank color is mostly independent from skin color, and is the reason that birds have different colored legs and undersides of feet.

(Do have a full-time job, though, so help may be limited.)

we're just getting started on the Genetics side of things you help would be greatly appreciated. I've only got high school bio, and that was over 15 years ago. I've been re-teaching it to myself as I go.

I've been trying to work on egg shell color, and Ameraucanas4real has been working on understanding leg color genetics.

(sorry, I can't recall what everyone else has been up to)

we've got a pretty long list of as many breeds we could find with a standard. I don't think this is a final list.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q8uhGbj5yJeitrkyC7Vc7RpgzPlFgmMIcpkWh_KbxWE/edit#gid=0

next step is getting a list of color varieties together, and then gathering the genetics behind them.