Getting w/cochins goldlaced cochins and salmon favs to go along with my giants b/w, brahmas,b-rocks,chanteclers,americaunas,and other cochins should be around 70+ ive lost 4 1 black giant 1sl cochin 1b-rock hen and ablack cochin that was doa ordered from the big three mcmurray-ideal-cackle havent gotten cackle yet was shipped today happy with everything else though except the losses but cant win them all. I used sugar water with them all as suggested in (success with baby chicks robert plamondon) book has worked well for me brightlight for the first 24 hours so they can find there way around waterers/feed most started drinking on there own right away others followed suit pretty quik good luck and if you got any??????about things this is the place to be!!!!