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[lualshannon]

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The operation involves removing tissue from the vocal cords, which actually means cutting a hole, and making sure that the bird does not try to crow for at least 5-6 days after the surgery. If they do crow, the tensions and vibration on the vocal cords will cause the opening to bleed, and the walls of the hole will adhere during healing, causing it to close partially or fully, therefore the process will end up being ineffective, and he will be able to crow as good as new.



So does aftercare require you keep them in the dark the whole time?

Oakland vet is the St. Louis Veterinary Clinic. But it sounds like his surgeries aren't lasting per Kern's experience with them. They charge $150. No appointment necessary. He says just bring them in at 9:30AM and don't feed them that day.

https://local.yahoo.com/info-21503490-tan-brian-t-dvm-st-louis-veterinary-clinic-oakland

I may look into the place in Santa Rosa if my boy gets too obnoxious (but seriously, there are at least 5 other roosters on my block; the morning chorus has been a regular part of my life in EVERY neighborhood I've lived in in Oakland for 20+ years).



Yes, for the operation to be affective, the rooster must be kept quiet for the first 5-6 days. The biggest concern is how the bird will react to the anesthetic. Dr. Popkin's fee will be more than $ 150.00, and if there are complications during surgery, it will add to the fee which can easily double the original price. He is a fertility specialist as well, excellent vet., but his over all fees are higher than most.
I keep my roosters inside until 9-9:30 AM every morning because one of my neighbors is extremely sensitive to noise, any kind of noise.. Like you, during the day we have every kind of noise, so I don't worry much about the boys' crow.
Lual

 

[The Yakima Kid]

So, Walt, what are your methods of keeping roosters quiet?

Still waiting to hear. Listed everything I know about, and any suggestions would be more than welcome.

Here is beautiful Buster and his girlfriend.

 

[HighStreetCoop]

I'm wondering if this is the reason behind @KernH 's birds recovering their crow. If the vet didn't stress this (and they certainly didn't warn me when I called to have a dark, quiet space set up for recovery), then it could all have been for naught. If I ever end up having an issue, I'll figure it out then. I have both vets bookmarked for now.

 

[HighStreetCoop]

So, Walt, what are your methods of keeping roosters quiet?

I'd like to know, too! When I was a kid, we kept the coop DARK and the roosts high, but that only worked with some of the boys.

 

[The Yakima Kid]

The Cage was last cleaned this morning, so I need to get more newspaper and dot it again.
More Buster Chicken and Friend:

 

[KernH]

I'm wondering if this is the reason behind @KernH 's birds recovering their crow. If the vet didn't stress this (and they certainly didn't warn me when I called to have a dark, quiet space set up for recovery), then it could all have been for naught. If I ever end up having an issue, I'll figure it out then. I have both vets bookmarked for now.

The Vet never told me anything special to do after surgery. I wish I had known that they were not supposed to crow. Might have made a difference in how well the crowing was stopped. Kern

 

[lualshannon]

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I'm wondering if this is the reason behind @KernH 's birds recovering their crow. If the vet didn't stress this (and they certainly didn't warn me when I called to have a dark, quiet space set up for recovery), then it could all have been for naught. If I ever end up having an issue, I'll figure it out then. I have both vets bookmarked for now.


It might very well be the reason. Also, it is important where the tissue is removed from, and the size of it. Please keep in mind that the bird might end up dying due to surgery, or related complications. If you decide to try it, I hope all goes well for you and your bird. A friend of mine who lives in the city with his 3 hens and a rooster, after much complaints from his neighbor, had a tiny coop built in his garage, and the walls are insulated with egg cartons which works like magic. Even though the garage is adjacent to his house, even he can't hear the crow from inside the house, and everybody is happy. Paper egg cartons are excellent sound barriers which I did use when I had large parrots.

Lual

 

[chiqita]

Interesting. I think I'll stick to trying to muffle the sound around the coop area. Our new boy crowed about three or four times around nine in the morning, and then again maybe noon to twoish. He mainly makes these errrrrrr noises at the pullet. I think his name is going to be Buster. He's such a beautiful boy.

If Morining is an issue, try rooster boxes. If they cant easily streach they dont crow much. Make sure they get plenty of air however.

I didn't know about having to keep them crowing for 5-6 days. The cost has been my main deterrent as well as the idea that it isn't all that nice / fair / natural for the roo. In the same lines as declawing your cat. I'd never do it myself but i'm happy to give a home to a roo that already had it done because hes a sweetie.

I don't think the volume matters much to a rooster. If he feels like he is crowing, he seems fine. Where you are cutting a cats fingers off if you declaw. The declawing still throws me.

Pics of my latest hatch from the incubator (13 hatched out of 30 set, 9 not fertile, couple of early deaths, couple mid-way deaths = STINKY eggs, 2 late deaths no internal pips):
2 red pyle x white or splash Old English Game Bantams
3 showgirls (naked neck silkies): black, partridge & white
7 silkies: black, dk gray, lt gray, 2 partridge, white w/black spots (?), & white
1 silkie x ?: chipmunk fuzz w/orange feet (hmmm..)


Look at these crazy markings - it'll be neat to see what it will it feather out to be


@chiqita who's been sneaking into the silkie pen? Any guesses? Orange feet & chipmunk strips equals silkie x ??? I love surprises.

Its likely a blue egg. They are my project hens ( we talked about it last time you picked up eggs, but that was a while ago) . she is 1/2 silkie 1/2 cream legbar. her chicks are 1/2 silkied, 1/2 blue egg layers. Interestingly enough, in australia they have a lot of blue egg laying silkies due to some cross many years ago. You'll see people asking for only blue egg laying silkies on ads, for example. I don't think it is in their SOP , but its common there. But, that might actualy be an olive egger, my AM hen got caught in the silkie nest box last week. it looks like a LF chick.

My Sizzle lines are actauly Polish based, not cochin based. You'll noticed they are longer and mostly have walnut combs, and still have foot feathering issues. The polish blood is 5? generations back now in the chicks. and the cushions need work... and the feathers are still BIG around the face and .. sigh... one day!!

 

[Audio51]

Quote: I think more along the lines of debarking a dog than Declawing a cat. It is just a little tissue snipped and if means the rooster doesn't go in the stew post, I suspect he would be fine with it. They don't know they can't crow. They still try and go thru the process. It usually just alters the sound....doesn't eliminate it entirely

Quote: I am that way about both distance and traffic. I am even bad as a passenger with either. You should see me when my DH drives us to San Francisco if we go to a 49er game (before they moved to Santa Clara). I was driving him crazy and stressing myself out horribly. Night driving is just as bad for me but is a vision issue in that situation. Makes it tough to get to things like shows...

Pics of my latest hatch from the incubator (13 hatched out of 30 set, 9 not fertile, couple of early deaths, couple mid-way deaths = STINKY eggs, 2 late deaths no internal pips):
2 red pyle x white or splash Old English Game Bantams
3 showgirls (naked neck silkies): black, partridge & white
7 silkies: black, dk gray, lt gray, 2 partridge, white w/black spots (?), & white
1 silkie x ?: chipmunk fuzz w/orange feet (hmmm..)


Look at these crazy markings - it'll be neat to see what it will it feather out to be


@chiqita who's been sneaking into the silkie pen? Any guesses? Orange feet & chipmunk strips equals silkie x ??? I love surprises.

Beautiful chicks!!!! I really love the white and black striped one!

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What I really hate is that with the vertigo it is so easy for glare to trigger an attack. Before I had it, I was happy to jump in the car and head from the Bay Area to Portland by myself, and I used to drive the whole way alone, sleeping in freeway rest areas and on road sides. Once I spent the night in a Weed gas station parking lot (with permission) tucked into the sleeping bag on the car seat when the state patrol shut down I-5 overnight due to snow.

I'd drive from Corvallis or Portland to Yakima, camp out at a campground, visit my aunt, and come back, whether a friend could come along or not.

Now I find it tricky to go to Saratoga or Marin County or SF from here. It is depressing as all get out. Coming back from Modesto as a passenger I had a minor episode, had to take medication, and slept most of the way home.

I hate it. I wouldn't wish this disease on Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, or Pol Pot.
I have occasional bouts of vertigo, but my issue is more related to my Thyroid Eye Disease. I have bad dry eye and my eyes are irritates and watery all the time. Any air blowing thru the vents makes it way worse. I am OK for short drives about 30-45 minutes, but longer than that is too much for me. I used to drive back and forth from Paradise to San Jose all the time...to bird shows in Sac.....all kinds of stuff. Now I have to schedule appointments in Sacramento on days my DH can drive me...

Quote: Yes! The more chick SPAM the better!

Lol - you mean my little Elvira?
She's a frizzled naked neck silkie (or frizzled showgirl).
I think you cross naked neck silkies with frizzled cochins.
I'm still a newbie at the genetics.
The single frizzle gene overrides the silkie feathering, I guess.
I got her a a day-old chick from @chiqita . She has the nicest black skin & intense blue ear lobes.

taken Jan 22, 2015

Here she is a peeper

taken August 11, 2014

That one looks just like my Cher (I got her from Chiqita too).......but sadly....I found her dead in the pen last week when I went out to feed in the morning. I have no ide what happened to her. There were o injuries and no sing of any illness. I was so upset! It happened on Friday so I did not send her for necropsy....

 

[Audio51]

I don't know iof any of you have seen this link yet. Awesome video of a developing chick in a transparent egg.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...h-artificial-eggshell-for-lab-raised-embryos/