California - Northern

[ronott1]

Well finally got a chicken to Necropsy. Drove her in as she was on her way out. I have lost about 19 not including all my hatchlings. They all have meriks. and somehow despite my use of DE daily in feed got Cecal and Coccidia. All the poop looks normal to me. This makes no sense. The ducks are unscathed. mostly hens and pullets I am loosing, along with all my chicks naturally hatched. I bleached the heck out of the feeders, nests, pens, barn.. I have had these birds 4 springs ago. Hatched and raised brought in a few new here and there. This hear I brought in more new than normal for laying purposes and building up my lemon Cuckoo Oprington stock. Most of them are gone but for a few hens and 4 roosters. I never got to sell any because they have been sickly to a point. its like 1-4 a week drop. maybe 1-2 weeks no body died.


So I am treating the parasite issue, and am going to try coconut meal which has a chemical in it that fights herpes virus. Maybe I can spare a few. I don;t know where it came from :/ Maybe wild birds lack of rain drawing then to our water. And i did find bird lice on them a bit ago. Dusted them and they are gone now.. but that's about the time the death rate picked up.

Oregano is good for viruses too.

cocci only has two strains that have blood in the poo. You really cannot get rid of it with bleach and etc. usually at 2 t 4 weeks you will have to start treating for cocci. You can also look into resistant breeds and strains. 20% corid powder works very well for me.

Mareks is everywhere so the wild birds do bring it in. There is nothing you can do about it for the ones hatched. Vaccinating may not be very effective--the best way is to inoculate the egg before it hatches like the hatcheries but I do not think they sell that vaccine to us.

 

[casportpony]

I'll have to post a coccidiosis poop picture that I found on "the poop page" that's labeled as normal cecal poop. Many of the pictures on that page could actually be signs of disease... Sigh.

-Kathy

 

[member 142084]

Quote: I bleached to clean things up. and I looked all the info up after I got the report. The vet said that that type of vaccine is not available. but even my hatchery birds are dying from it. Its odd because the poop all looks normal.

I ordered corid waiting for it to come in.

I also read that the older chickens often are not effected so much by meriks and cocci, but they are dying too.

i will toss in some oregano too

anyone know if garlic upsets chicken digest? I know it is antiviral too. along with honey. I may make some raw honey coconut cakes with herbs and feed it to them.

it just seems to have become a pandemic for my coop they have slight nazal discharge but the necropsy dais nothign of the sort. just that the brain and organs were at an infected stage. So I take it this is an 'active' version of meriks if there is such a thing. I would loose 1-3 chicken a year to an unknown cause, looked like broken necks. 19 since June is nuts. necks are not dangling. I know its a waiting game now. Hope some make it.

 

[member 142084]

I'll have to post a coccidiosis poop picture that I found on "the poop page" that's labeled as normal cecal poop. Many of the pictures on that page could actually be signs of disease... Sigh.

-Kathy

this one?

http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=17568.0

 

[ronott1]

I bleached to clean things up. and I looked all the info up after I got the report. The vet said that that type of vaccine is not available. but even my hatchery birds are dying from it. Its odd because the poop all looks normal.

I ordered corid waiting for it to come in.

I also read that the older chickens often are not effected so much by meriks and cocci, but they are dying too.

i will toss in some oregano too

anyone know if garlic upsets chicken digest? I know it is antiviral too. along with honey. I may make some raw honey coconut cakes with herbs and feed it to them.

it just seems to have become a pandemic for my coop they have slight nazal discharge but the necropsy dais nothign of the sort. just that the brain and organs were at an infected stage. So I take it this is an 'active' version of meriks if there is such a thing. I would loose 1-3 chicken a year to an unknown cause, looked like broken necks. 19 since June is nuts. necks are not dangling. I know its a waiting game now. Hope some make it.

I friend of mine nearly lost a two year old hen to cocci last fall. He did not see bloody poo either but she had the symptoms.

The way to control it is to treat the chicks aggressively and give the hens corid for two days at the 1tsp. per gallon dose each month. I would do this through the winter and see if the chicks do better next year.

They are dying from cocci not mareks.

 

[Audio51]

Well finally got a chicken to Necropsy. Drove her in as she was on her way out. I have lost about 19 not including all my hatchlings. They all have meriks. and somehow despite my use of DE daily in feed got Cecal and Coccidia. All the poop looks normal to me. This makes no sense. The ducks are unscathed. mostly hens and pullets I am loosing, along with all my chicks naturally hatched. I bleached the heck out of the feeders, nests, pens, barn.. I have had these birds 4 springs ago. Hatched and raised brought in a few new here and there. This hear I brought in more new than normal for laying purposes and building up my lemon Cuckoo Oprington stock. Most of them are gone but for a few hens and 4 roosters. I never got to sell any because they have been sickly to a point. its like 1-4 a week drop. maybe 1-2 weeks no body died.


So I am treating the parasite issue, and am going to try coconut meal which has a chemical in it that fights herpes virus. Maybe I can spare a few. I don;t know where it came from :/ Maybe wild birds lack of rain drawing then to our water. And i did find bird lice on them a bit ago. Dusted them and they are gone now.. but that's about the time the death rate picked up.

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The one of mine that just died and I sent for necropsy had cocci. I lost a second one shortly after that one and then another started acting "off". No bloody poop from any of them. I treated the entire flock with Corid for 6 days. The sick one looks fine now and no one else has shown any sign of illness.

 

[member 142084]

ys as soon as it comes in all the birds are going to be treated with corid. i have lost all up to 3 years in age. They also have cecal. does that kill cecal too? I also eat my birds. haven't butchered any recently and won't be for some time now. Will corid make the eggs inedible?

I didn't think cocci made the hens disoriented so that the cant walk and act like their heads are spinning. I thought it was west nile based on symptoms, glad it's not and couldn't figure out how a mosquito could pass it to a chicken anyhow. But I can't gind a list of symptoms other that death and feces, in fact mine don't show symptoms other than they are to thin for the pullets the hens are fine. they just are dead or act like they have lost their minds, cant breath, struggled to walk or can't. could the cocci causing malnutirtion be allowing mareks to be prevalent? or maybe its heat stroke. either way its perturbing.

 

[ronott1]

ys as soon as it comes in all the birds are going to be treated with corid. i have lost all up to 3 years in age. They also have cecal. does that kill cecal too? I also eat my birds. haven't butchered any recently and won't be for some time now. Will corid make the eggs inedible?

I didn't think cocci made the hens disoriented so that the cant walk and act like their heads are spinning. I thought it was west nile based on symptoms, glad it's not and couldn't figure out how a mosquito could pass it to a chicken anyhow. But I can't gind a list of symptoms other that death and feces, in fact mine don't show symptoms other than they are to thin for the pullets the hens are fine. they just are dead or act like they have lost their minds, cant breath, struggled to walk or can't. could the cocci causing malnutirtion be allowing mareks to be prevalent? or maybe its heat stroke. either way its perturbing.

It could but chickens hide symptoms. The aggressive cocci will kill chicks in three days of showing symptoms. Adults should take longer but they hide symptoms better.

The eggs are fine since corid works to deprive the cysts of the b vitamin. I will post the instructions again but remember to treat all of them each month for several months or so.

Corid Dosage:
If any show symptoms, all chicks should be treated there is 9 species of this disease and ONLY 2 that have blood in the stool. Critical time is when chicks are between 4-16wks. of age.
chicks need to be treated when they are 3-4wks of age. 20% CORID POWDER....1.5TSP. PER GALLON FOR 5 DAYS and then another 5 days at 1/2 tps per gallon.
and to repeat it every 3wks if they have symptoms until they reach 9mos. of age. After this its a good idea to put it once a week in their water.

 

[chickee]

Quote: Liz, I was just thinking about you!

More chicks?!

 

[Audio51]

ys as soon as it comes in all the birds are going to be treated with corid. i have lost all up to 3 years in age. They also have cecal. does that kill cecal too? I also eat my birds. haven't butchered any recently and won't be for some time now. Will corid make the eggs inedible?

I didn't think cocci made the hens disoriented so that the cant walk and act like their heads are spinning. I thought it was west nile based on symptoms, glad it's not and couldn't figure out how a mosquito could pass it to a chicken anyhow. But I can't gind a list of symptoms other that death and feces, in fact mine don't show symptoms other than they are to thin for the pullets the hens are fine. they just are dead or act like they have lost their minds, cant breath, struggled to walk or can't. could the cocci causing malnutirtion be allowing mareks to be prevalent? or maybe its heat stroke. either way its perturbing.

The primary sign saw on the first pullet that died was inability to keep an upright posture. She was tipping forward when she tried to stand. It was only when I picked her up that I could tell she had lost a lot of weight. After I brought her inside I saw she was also open-mouth breathing. Her poop looked the second one listed under "abnormal poo" on the above link.....very liquid and full of a gritty looking black and gray substance.