California Proposition 2

[onthespot]

amen! (not in the religious sense) The organization is laying legal grounds all over the country to make animal keeping of all sorts INCLUDING DOG AND CATS so highly regulated and complicated as to deter the majority of people from being able to comply with the requirements to breed and rear animals, thus making them so expensive that the general public can no longer afford to own them. Do your homework people. This is not just about chickens, eggs and veal. It is step 14 or so in a many thousand step plan. The get laws passed in Florida prohibiting the sales of elk meat, and it passes because no one in Florida thinks not being able to keep elk will impact them negatively. Then they go to a state where elk are raised and farmed and they slip the same law past the public with a minimum of publicity, citing prior law in another state. Iowa, get ready, whether this passes or not, the same legislation will show up in your state in VERY short order. SC, next, TX, watch your back.

 

[kstaven]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

Well today is the day. It will be interesting to see if the people of California believe the sesationalized rhetoric of the Holltywood "elite" and the AR groups,, or if the believe the science and facts brought forth by the AVMA and other.

I hope it fails, but knowing lack of critical thinking skills of the American Public I am not hopeful.

Jim

Insulting people and in effect calling them stupid will gain you nothing but problems on this forum and create issues for the moderators Jim. In future posts please consider your wording far more carefully.

Kurtis​

 

[debilorrah]

Thank you. Of course, those of us that live in California are well aware of the perception of us twitterheads around the nation. HAHAHAHA! Half of us are those that get talked about and the other half of us walk around with our fists clenched and our mouths shut.

 

[eggchel]

I live in California.

 

[debilorrah]

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I can see that

Have you ever wondered why people who have never been here call it LALA Land?

 

[PoultryPedia]

PLEASE VOTE YES!!!

I have studied a lot about the lives of chickens in battery cages and vigorously oppose the misery the practice causes. I don't believe commercial eggs need to come from 'free-range' chickens. I do believe they NEED to be cage-free because of the intense kinds of suffering caused by battery cages.

Whether on large or small farms, battery cage life is not humane. Some larger farms' procedures increase the level of suffering, but all battery cages cause unreasonable suffering to chickens. This isn't conscienceable for us to support as consumers who the chickens are providing for.

BTW--As I understand it, Proposition 2 only applies to pregnant pigs. Ones with piglets would continue to have confinement designed to protect their young.

 

[Peepthis541]

I don't know about this idea of not supporting legislation to make large scale farming more humane because of reduced profits or companies not able to make the transition and looking to move elsewhere.

"Buying Local" aside, wouldn't you want to get your eggs from places that abide by more humane standards, even if they came from outside of the state?

I liken this kind of legislation to those that try to improve working conditions for people in businesses (like factories), or create standards and enforcement to prevent pollution from companies. You can argue that the standards will be too tough, and too expensive, and ultimately the companies will go elsewhere, where they can pollute, abuse, or keep chickens in small battery cages.
But that is where the consumer comes in and can buy California eggs with confidence because they know that these standards are presumably enforced. Kind of like if you buy American, you will likely be paying more, but you know that there were some standards in place, for safe working conditions, a minimum wage, among other things.

I understand the point of view of a limited government, or a "Stay out of our business" kind of government, but I feel like it is not very realistic for the government to not be in our lives on some fundamental things, like the human rights based things I mentioned before.

I guess this proposition is trying to give animals some rights as well. There are people who eat animals, and don't eat animals. And among both those groups, people who believe in the ethical treatment of animals, and people who don't. You can be a meat eater or egg eater, and still believe in an enforceable standard of living conditions for your food.

If this passes and sets a precedent for other states, well great! Maybe California can give tax breaks to egg farmers as an incentive to stay in the state and produce food to a higher standard. Nothing wrong with that! We tax products from other countries to encourage and support local production. We also subsidize foods like meat, dairy, grain (like corn and wheat) in the US too.

I would support this proposition in Oregon.

 

[SterlingAcres]

I don't live in Cali, but if it comes to PA, I'm voting NO.

 

[ChanceRider]

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Insulting people and in effect calling them stupid will gain you nothing but problems on this forum and create issues for the moderators Jim. In future posts please consider your wording far more carefully.

Kurtis

Thank you, Kurtis, for your post and words of caution.

 

[poltroon]

The initiative passed with 63.2%.