Can I use ivermectin and safeguard?? Please let me know!

[Krysthal109]

Good evening, in two days i will go through my second round of treatment of ivermectin pour on for Mites and lice. But I have an issue. One of my girls has what I believe is Cecal worms (long, thin, and white worms), and I have some safeguard for horses on hand to treat my whole flock. Can I treat my flock with safeguard and ivermectin pour on at the same time? Is it safe?

 

[casportpony]

sounds great! Also, how much of the safeguard paste should I give each chicken. I’ve seen people mention cc and ml, but I don’t understand it too well? I’ve also seen people say to give each chicken a pea size dose, but others say that dosage is wrong. And is it possible to overdose safeguard Paste? Sorry about all the questions I just want to be sure! Thanks.

It depends on what worms you want to treat. Capillary worms require high doses for 5 consecutive days, but large roundworms & cecal worms can be treated with a single dose of 0.23 ml per pound once, then repeated in 10-14 days.

A pea-sized amount might treat a really small chicken, but it's not enough to treat a standard-sized chicken. Check out this thread:

The Truth About the "Pea Sized Blob" of Horse Paste De-Wormer​

 

[U_Stormcrow]

cc and ml are the same amount - one of the deliberate oddities of the metric system.

Beyond that, I'd have to do the math. Pea sized dose is what I have seen recommended here by people on BYC whom I trust, whose experience with poultry illness and injury is FAR FAR greater than my own.

 

[Folly's place]

Actually Fenbendazole is approved for use in chickens, it's Ivermectin that's not approved. Look it up on the FARAD.org site.
Mary

 

[Shadrach]

Ivermectin is no longer considered an effective treatment for worms, be they cecal or otherwise.
Flubendazole and Fenbendazole are considered effective and safe.
Regarding the mite treatment.
There is a problem often overlooked with using Ivermectin for mite and lice treatment. The mites have to bite the bird to ingest the drug; the lice do not feed off the bird usually but on the dead skin and oils secreted by the bird.

Having a chicken walking around with mites isn't a problem. It's the mites biting and feeding off the chicken that's the problem. Ideally one wants to kill the mites without them feeding off the chicken and this in my opion makes Ivermectin unsuitable for all mite control bar depluming mite and at times scaly leg mite which may not be practical to treat with a pesticide.

Get some Permethrin for the mites and lice. It kills on contact with the mites and lice and this means hopefully the pests get killed before they can take another bite out of your chicken.

 

[casportpony]

Good evening, in two days i will go through my second round of treatment of ivermectin pour on for Mites and lice. But I have an issue. One of my girls has what I believe is Cecal worms (long, thin, and white worms), and I have some safeguard for horses on hand to treat my whole flock. Can I treat my flock with safeguard and ivermectin pour on at the same time? Is it safe?

Yes, one can use ivermectin & fenbendazole (Safeguard/Panacur) at the same time.

If you're seeing long thin worms, those are probably large roundworms, not cecal worms.

How many birds do you have to treat? It might be more cost-effective to buy some Safeguard for goats.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

I'm convinced. Will never again repeat "pea sized".

Thanks all!

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Yes, its not approved/sanctioned, but it has been studied, it is approved for use in other animals, and there are no known negative drug interactions - it doesn't make either drug either ineffective or more dangerous. You can even buy the two products together as a single drug for horses, pigs, and cattle (I believe - horses I'm sure off, cattle I'm not 100%), and its been studied in monkey as well as various mammals (pets).

Its not studied in chickens because fenbendazole [correction] ivermectin [/correction] isn't approved for use in chickens.

 

[Allsfairinloveandbugs]

And is it possible to overdose safeguard Paste?

Fenbendazole is very safe to give to birds; studies have shown that a dosage up to 100 times the recommended dosage may have no side effects. However, ivermectin can be toxic to birds if the recommended dosage is exceeded. (Unlike with mammals where high dosages of Ivermectin have no side effects). So Ivermectin is the med you want to be careful with when medicating birds.

 

[Kiki]

I know the safeguard drench is 1ml/12lb ……so pea sized amount per chicken of the paste sounds accurate…..

Oh boy! Kathy sees this pea size amount. Her head's going to explode because mine just almost did.

0.23 ml per each pound.
Completely safe to round up to 0.25 ml per each pound the bird weighs and no, it is not likely to overdose a bird on safeguard.