can you clever people tell me what these are ?

Both boys!
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It's my understanding that the red color near the shoulders does not exist in hens.
 
if they were pullets they shouldnt have the red on their wings. so with the red coming in on the wings makes them both roos. french standered black copper marans, ours has way to much red on him. yours are pure bcms
 
Alrighty, I'm wrong about them not being pure - but not wrong about them being boys.
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My marans never came in with red on the wings, but my crosses sure did. But I did look at some Marans breeder pics here and the males do have red leakage in the wing triangle.
 
Thanks so much ! It's a shame, I really wanted a girl but maybe ill try the first one a partner later, the second one is now sold and he is very happy with him.
I do get to watch him grow up though !

THAnks for the info on the colour too, I have never hatched these before and its nice to know what you all think .
 
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They look sort of like Cochins, but I don't think the feet are as fluffy as they should be. Might be a Brahma/Cochin mix. I don't know, I'm not an expert.
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