Cap and Trade Bill?? What the heck is it?
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And corporations are neither supposed to represent or control us. So, again, why do corporations get a pass for their misbehavior and the government roundly condemned even when it doesn't deserve it?
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Frankly I'd just like to see a system in place to throw the leadership of the really nasty companies in prison for their malicious actions and then not need all the excess regulations. Frankly, if it would be illegal for a private individual to do it, it should be illegal for a corporation to do it, and if the management is instructing the company to do it, they should be treated as though they personally committed the crime.
And corporations are neither supposed to represent or control us. So, again, why do corporations get a pass for their misbehavior and the government roundly condemned even when it doesn't deserve it?
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Frankly I'd just like to see a system in place to throw the leadership of the really nasty companies in prison for their malicious actions and then not need all the excess regulations. Frankly, if it would be illegal for a private individual to do it, it should be illegal for a corporation to do it, and if the management is instructing the company to do it, they should be treated as though they personally committed the crime.
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You do realize that Cap & Trade is effectively a voluntary tax, right? If a corporation chooses to exceed their cap, they pay the tax, whereas they can avoid the tax by being more environmentally responsible. Those companie that choose to be more environmentally responsible should actually make money off Cap & Trade....
Hey, you might even think of Cap & Trade as a tax cut for green companies.. Does that make it more appealing?
You do realize that Cap & Trade is effectively a voluntary tax, right? If a corporation chooses to exceed their cap, they pay the tax, whereas they can avoid the tax by being more environmentally responsible. Those companie that choose to be more environmentally responsible should actually make money off Cap & Trade....
Hey, you might even think of Cap & Trade as a tax cut for green companies.. Does that make it more appealing?
Um...actually, they are supposed to control us.
They are, really that is a new one to me. Where in the constitution is that control the people part? I don't know about some but I was born FREE and intend to stay that way and in no way want to be or to control my fellow citizens. Sorry but that is a scary thought if most believe it.
They are, really that is a new one to me. Where in the constitution is that control the people part? I don't know about some but I was born FREE and intend to stay that way and in no way want to be or to control my fellow citizens. Sorry but that is a scary thought if most believe it.
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Um...actually, they are supposed to control us.
Not in the ominous sense that you mean to convey here, necessarily, but there are a bunch of laws on the books that are supposed to keep us from killing, beating, raping, and stealing from each other.. That's a form of control and, frankly, it's welcomed. That's what they're supposed to do.
If they were simply supposed to represent us without issuing any laws to control anything, what endeavor would they be representing us in, exactly?
I'm in agreement here on that sort of control!!! I believe in law and order.... but absolute control........ no......... I am in favor of a common sense form of government that isn't heavy on bureaucracy. If any of you have ever read "in the ashes" series by William Johnstone, I would like to see us go towards a government that they had set up in America after the fall. If none of you have ever read that series, it is a lot of fun for those who like war type books, with both sides of politics thrown in (both liberal and conservative) and points of views you would never have expected. In that form of society there is almost NO crime, NO complaints by the populace and NO welfare needed. That's the kind of society I would want to live in......
Then again, everyone aged from 15-60 was mandated to be a part of the military for a set period of time to earn citizenship and be a reserve as needed.
Um...actually, they are supposed to control us.
Not in the ominous sense that you mean to convey here, necessarily, but there are a bunch of laws on the books that are supposed to keep us from killing, beating, raping, and stealing from each other.. That's a form of control and, frankly, it's welcomed. That's what they're supposed to do.
If they were simply supposed to represent us without issuing any laws to control anything, what endeavor would they be representing us in, exactly?
I'm in agreement here on that sort of control!!! I believe in law and order.... but absolute control........ no......... I am in favor of a common sense form of government that isn't heavy on bureaucracy. If any of you have ever read "in the ashes" series by William Johnstone, I would like to see us go towards a government that they had set up in America after the fall. If none of you have ever read that series, it is a lot of fun for those who like war type books, with both sides of politics thrown in (both liberal and conservative) and points of views you would never have expected. In that form of society there is almost NO crime, NO complaints by the populace and NO welfare needed. That's the kind of society I would want to live in......
Then again, everyone aged from 15-60 was mandated to be a part of the military for a set period of time to earn citizenship and be a reserve as needed.
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Um...actually, they are supposed to control us.
Not in the ominous sense that you mean to convey here, necessarily, but there are a bunch of laws on the books that are supposed to keep us from killing, beating, raping, and stealing from each other.. That's a form of control and, frankly, it's welcomed. That's what they're supposed to do.
If they were simply supposed to represent us without issuing any laws to control anything, what endeavor would they be representing us in, exactly?
No, they aren't supposed to 'control us'. That's what the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is for, to stop them from controlling us. People who think the government should control us are the ones who got us into this problem in the first place. This is supposed to be the land of the free, not the controlled.
What you're talking about are rules that protect society and the individual from other individuals. They are[i/] supposed to represent us, something too many have begun to completely ignore within the last two decades.
Um...actually, they are supposed to control us.
Not in the ominous sense that you mean to convey here, necessarily, but there are a bunch of laws on the books that are supposed to keep us from killing, beating, raping, and stealing from each other.. That's a form of control and, frankly, it's welcomed. That's what they're supposed to do.
If they were simply supposed to represent us without issuing any laws to control anything, what endeavor would they be representing us in, exactly?
No, they aren't supposed to 'control us'. That's what the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is for, to stop them from controlling us. People who think the government should control us are the ones who got us into this problem in the first place. This is supposed to be the land of the free, not the controlled.
What you're talking about are rules that protect society and the individual from other individuals. They are[i/] supposed to represent us, something too many have begun to completely ignore within the last two decades.
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If it's criminal, that's fine...few would disagree, I think.
We're not talking about criminal acts here, necessarily -- just irresponsible acts. Thing is, irresponsibility is rewarded under the current framework. They make more money if they dispense more pollution, because mitigating pollution costs money.
The framework needs to change, and Cap & Trade will go a long way toward making that happen.
If it's criminal, that's fine...few would disagree, I think.
We're not talking about criminal acts here, necessarily -- just irresponsible acts. Thing is, irresponsibility is rewarded under the current framework. They make more money if they dispense more pollution, because mitigating pollution costs money.
The framework needs to change, and Cap & Trade will go a long way toward making that happen.
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They are, really that is a new one to me. Where in the constitution is that control the people part? I don't know about some but I was born FREE and intend to stay that way and in no way want to be or to control my fellow citizens. Sorry but that is a scary thought if most believe it.
Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. You're free, yes, but you're not free to hit me in the nose.. Like it or not, that means you're under government control by virtue of the fact that you live here and are subject to this nation's laws.
If you believe you're free to do whatever you want whenever you want simply because you were born American, go to the mall and punch somebody in the face for no reason in front of a few hundred witnesses.. An officer of the law should arrive shortly and give you a quick lesson in where your freedoms begin and end.
They are, really that is a new one to me. Where in the constitution is that control the people part? I don't know about some but I was born FREE and intend to stay that way and in no way want to be or to control my fellow citizens. Sorry but that is a scary thought if most believe it.
Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. You're free, yes, but you're not free to hit me in the nose.. Like it or not, that means you're under government control by virtue of the fact that you live here and are subject to this nation's laws.
If you believe you're free to do whatever you want whenever you want simply because you were born American, go to the mall and punch somebody in the face for no reason in front of a few hundred witnesses.. An officer of the law should arrive shortly and give you a quick lesson in where your freedoms begin and end.
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Ok, so how exactly does Cap & Trade constitute "absolute control?"
Ok, so how exactly does Cap & Trade constitute "absolute control?"
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Ok, so how exactly does Cap & Trade constitute "absolute control?"
we've strayed way far from the original topic so I implore you to go back to when I got home today and started posting to see the context of my message. Taking my opinions and statements out of context would be silly.
Ok, so how exactly does Cap & Trade constitute "absolute control?"
we've strayed way far from the original topic so I implore you to go back to when I got home today and started posting to see the context of my message. Taking my opinions and statements out of context would be silly.
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