Cesar millan v. clicker training

[suzyq53511]

how about training dogs for people who are deaf or going deaf.... i am going deaf and my dog seams to notice it... barks when i cant hear someone knocking etc....

 

[FireTigeris]

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Hearing dogs - contact your local Guide Dog training school - one of them will know who trains hearing dogs.

If you can't find one local I'll look for hearing dog schools, they may be able to send you information.

 

[yoker]

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I was just wondering what other peoples opinons are. We have a dog that I am clicker training.

 

[Apomerantz]

I had the opportunity to meet Cesar when he was in Seattle. He was very nice with the dogs but the dogs did hop to attention when he came in, they knew he was in charge! His dog, Big Daddy, was with him at the time, he walked into the green room where we were prepping to go on TV with him and dropped Big Daddy's leash and BD just chilled there the whole time! Cesar was very good with my dog and the other 2 ladys' dogs there, he never got rough with them.
Amy

 

[mekasmom]

I like Cesar Milan. I think he sometimes "saves" dogs that should probably be put down. The overly dominant aggressive ones that are Ok with him, but would have a real problem in society with some owners. I'm not sure those should be saved. As long as he stays as responsible as he is, and keeps those dogs away from situations and owners that will cause bites, then it's fine. But not all dogs belong in the hands of all owners. Some owners are just naturally submissive people who let those types of dogs overrun them. I love the way he offers to trade dogs with owners who cannot dominate and control their aggressive dogs. That is the best thing he does. He really cares for the dogs, and is responsible enough to know when an owner doesn't have the personality to control them.

I also like the way he explains overly fearful dogs. They are the hardest to work with and the most unpredictable because unreasonable fears set them off at any moment. He never corrects them, just guides them into the position or thing he wants them to do. He is gentle but firm with them.

I really like him.

I have watched Victoria, but she seems flakey to me. Too much "stuff" rather than just working with the dog as it is. Barbara "walkies" Woodhouse was an interesting character too. I don't know how many would remember her.

 

[Redyre Rotties]

What Ceasar Milan does, and why it works for him so quickly, is force dogs into shutting down. It is not difficult to do this with most dogs especially if you have a strong personality and presence.

It is not training, it does not last, and there is a reason for the disclaimers that are so prominently broadcast on his show advising people not to try these techniques on their own.

 

[synoviaus]

I have never watched an episode of the Dog Whisperer with Cesar, but have read all his books. Cesar seems to genuinely care for dogs and best of all he stands up to stupid owners. I like that he puts the dog's welfare first. Like was already mentioned, not all dogs belong to all owners, and some people don't need a dog at all! I help out at a friend's grooming shop. You just would not believe the stupidity of some dog owners. We had a person come in the other day with a dog that was so matted you could barely tell it was a dog. Plus the dog was covered in fleas, and had tape worms in its fur, and bloody diarrhea. It was aweful! When we told her all these things, she said " I didn't know adult dogs could get worms." What ever method you choose to use to train your dog the key is consistency and patience. Most dogs want to please and a kind word, ear scratch, or tasty tidbit aid comprehension. Do your homework and anyone can be successful. I have raised, trained, and hunted, Bluetick Coonhounds for years. I begin teaching my puppies at birth about the outside world. I wish all of you the very best of luck with your dogs. Amy

 

[Rin]

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THANK you. Someone said it.

"Naturally aggressive", give me a break - Cotton was CLEARLY just crated WAY too long and gave CLEAR signals of wanting to play that he completely misread. Dogs bark and growl when they are EXCITED (try watching puppies at play). If they are being aggressive you will see all their teeth and tail stiff and ears flat on their head. Being crated all the time causes frustration and frustration causes aggressive behavior. He was RIGHT with the slow opening of the crate door but if he patiently kept at JUST THAT eventually the dog would sit and wait for it to be opened. He didn't NEED to jump to an aggressive dominant gesture making what is a friendly but frustrated dog FEARFUL and so uncertain what was wanted. I guarantee the dog went right back to that behavior after he left because all it learned was that it's crate was a BAD PLACE where it was not only caged too much but forced now into a submissive position in. My dogs are APPROPRIATELY crate trained and view it as a safe place to go to get AWAY from things that scare them. He did the opposite making it an even scarier place and I guarantee he's going to bite the next person to callously shove him in it out of fear.
Can anyone else see what he seveeerely misinterpreted once he got the dog out? A certain lil paw? Lifting a paw is NOT a gesture of going AFTER someone and never has been and never will be. The ONLY time i'd ever seen a dog do so was a gesture of "please", heck. My girl does it juuust before she flops over to give me her belly. Hell if she was going to go after someone shed PICK one STARE at them raise her hackles and pull at the lead. None of which it was doing it was just... scared and confused and SO not used to being walked on a lead even.

As an added note WOLVES ARE NOT DOGS AND DOGS ARE NOT WOLVES. Not only do wolves RARELY do this crap to pack members but wolves SEEKING to be alpha will kill the "old" alpha to take over sometimes (There was a pack where a female killed her own father to take over the role of alpha). Wolves are WILD ANIMALS. Your dog, is not and even THEN wolves do LESS harassing of pack members than Caesar demonstrates on his show. This is like using lions for determining how exactly to treat a house cat. Dogs are domesticated animals bred for centuries NOT to require a heavy hand. They are in environments NOTHING like where wolves are and are being watched over and raised by humans - not wolves. Quit using wolves as a reason to bully a dog. My theory is Caesar is just for show because I have seen what that "training" does to dogs and I guarantee most of them are dead now after being too aggressive as aggression is what they learned. Hell, there was one family that tried to sue the show I recall for mis-representing(exaggerating) their case and not even HELPING in the end. It was the episode where he rolled the small muzzled dog on its back and pinned it for about 10 mins despite the owners repeatedly telling Caesar the last trainer they used did the SAME THING and it didn't help in the BG. Sure the owners were happy at the end of the episode but the dog was just as bad after the crew got what they wanted and left.

I love Victoria. She teaches a more humane way and has the SAME "duh" tips such as exercise and she gets some of the dumbest owners - ones that feed their dogs TEA and sweets, crate them all day and wonder why they are so crazed. BUT she still teaches not just NILIF but how to REDIRECT bad behaviors without abuse. She even points out where the owners are going wrong and teaches them to be aware of it. Like one couple had a dog that they didn't want on the couch or bed or furniture... they weren't aware they were letting him on the couch with them sometimes. So the dog had no clue if it was or wasn't allowed as the owners gave mixed signals. In the end they decided no not allowed and the dog was not going back up. OH and she actually did episodes where she REVISITED these homes showing indeed her methods worked. Maybe not perfectly as the owners liked to slip up, but the stuff they STUCK WITH worked. But she still had an approach that was meant to build the owner and dogs confidence together. So simply dropping your dog off at a trainer that trains this way or even clicker training isn't going to cut it ever. If they aren't working - you should be there doing them with your dog so both of you have confidence in each other.

One final note Caesar is NOT a dog trainer. Victoria IS and she has awards to prove it. He has a warning on his show not to do what he does for a REASON. It might get you maimed or even killed doing the things he does. So yes, strong feelings here.

 

[Redyre Rotties]

+1, Rin.

I invite CM here any time he likes to try to point and SHHHHT and shut MY dogs down.

 

[FireTigeris]

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I had people come and ask me "Do you train dogs?"

"No, I tutor people, if you want to pay me to teach you how to train your dog- I'd be delighted."

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Funny thing everyone agrees that this is the way to do the dog training, but nobody has taken me up on it yet...

I hate lazy people that want quick fixes for animals... these are living creatures that deserve time spent on them...

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