Check the dog shelters before u go buy a purebred!! Mutts need love too!!!!

Oh yes. I don't even need to click the link, this is where PETA members threw dead dogs into dumpsters.

A little research into Ingrid Newkirk, the founder and leader of PETA would be educational for most people. Wayne Pacelle, leader of HSUS, is one of her disciples.

Just a few little pearls from Newkirk on Pets:


On pets

In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether.
Newsday, 1988February 21

Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation.
Harper's, 1988August 1

I don’t use the word 'pet.' I think it’s speciesist language. I prefer 'companion animal.' For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs (artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship — enjoyment at a distance.
The Harper's Forum Book, Jack Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223

You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV.
The Chicago Daily Herald, 1990March 1

The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind.
Animals, 1993May 1

If a girl gets sexual pleasure from riding a horse, does the horse suffer? If not, who cares? If you French kiss your dog and he or she thinks it's great, is it wrong? We believe all exploitation and abuse is wrong. If it isn't exploitation and abuse, it may not be wrong.
New York Times, 2001[15][16]

And I love walking someone else’s dog. I don’t have the luxury of having a dog myself because I travel too much, but I love walking and cuddling somebody else’s dog. I just came back from the shelter today and they let me walk three dogs at lunchtime. It was great.
Satya, January, 2001 [17]

We do not advocate "right to life" for animals.
On a postcard to Nathan Winograd, a neuter/release and no-kill shelter advocate[18]

Euthanasia is the kindest gift to a dog or cat unwanted and unloved.
At a press conference in 2005, after two PETA employees were arrested for animal cruelty after dumping hundreds of dead animals in a dumpster [19]
 
Oh yes. I don't even need to click the link, this is where PETA members threw dead dogs into dumpsters.
A little research into Ingrid Newkirk, the founder and leader of PETA would be educational for most people. Wayne Pacelle, leader of HSUS, is one of her disciples.
Just a few little pearls from Newkirk on Pets:
On pets
In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether.
Newsday, 1988February 21
Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation.
Harper's, 1988August 1
I don’t use the word 'pet.' I think it’s speciesist language. I prefer 'companion animal.' For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs (artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship — enjoyment at a distance.
The Harper's Forum Book, Jack Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223
You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV.
The Chicago Daily Herald, 1990March 1
The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind.
Animals, 1993May 1
If a girl gets sexual pleasure from riding a horse, does the horse suffer? If not, who cares? If you French kiss your dog and he or she thinks it's great, is it wrong? We believe all exploitation and abuse is wrong. If it isn't exploitation and abuse, it may not be wrong.
New York Times, 2001[15][16]
And I love walking someone else’s dog. I don’t have the luxury of having a dog myself because I travel too much, but I love walking and cuddling somebody else’s dog. I just came back from the shelter today and they let me walk three dogs at lunchtime. It was great.
Satya, January, 2001 [17]
We do not advocate "right to life" for animals.
On a postcard to Nathan Winograd, a neuter/release and no-kill shelter advocate[18]
Euthanasia is the kindest gift to a dog or cat unwanted and unloved.
At a press conference in 2005, after two PETA employees were arrested for animal cruelty after dumping hundreds of dead animals in a dumpster [19]
:rant

Thank you for opening my eyes. I was ignorant to all this before today. Never really supported PETA. Never though much of them, but now I do - and my thoughts should probably be kept to myself (as reading them would not be suitable for a family atmosphere).

I would be lost without my 'pets' who I consider part of the family. I have a dog that had rescued ME and not the other way around when I was 16 and suffering from extreme depression. I can't imagine my life without Koda. I don't think providing an animal with a safe shelter, food and love is anything to be ashamed of, and find it absurd that they would suggest it is considered exploitation.
 
Unfortunately our experience with a shelter dog was a disaster. All our previous dogs had come from good breeders as they were all purchased as show prospects. A year and a half ago we decided to get a golden retriever (mix?) puppy from the county shelter. I was already in "talks" with a couple of golden show breeders, but DH wanted to save a life. She was lovely with people, but grew up to be a disaster with other dogs. It is NOT all in how you raise them! Genetics plays a very important role in a dog's temperament, just as it does in their health and conformation. She turned out to be dog aggressive despite socializing her extensively in obedience and agility classes from the time we got her. We thought she was OK though with our other dogs, it was just outside dogs she had a problem with - male or female, didn't matter. Until one day earlier this summer when she decided that her former best buddy needed to die. She very nearly succeeded in killing her. Took a week in the hospital, four surgeries, two months of weekly vet checks and a good chunk of our daughter's college fund to put her back together. The golden was rehomed to a one dog home. It broke our hearts to let her go, but when an experienced, highly recommended trainer, two veterinarians and numerous people experienced with the breed advise it as the only safe option, what else could we do? Golden retrievers should not be dog aggressive. It is even specifically noted in the breed standard. We knew, of course, when we got her that she did not come from a conscientious breeder, but we didn't expect such a drastic issue when we did everything "right" in raising her.

I do realize that there are many wonderful dogs in shelters needing homes and many of them work out great for the people who get them, but OUR next dog will again come from a good quality breeder whom we know breeds for the right reasons and the right characteristics in their dogs. With the right genetic background THEN it will be up to us to raise the puppy right. I want the odds on my side next time, so we hopefully won't have to go through the misery we went through this summer ever again. I just think we should all have the freedom to choose the pet that is right for our individual situations and I don't think anyone should be made to feel guilty if they choose to purchase an animal from a good breeder.
 
I know there are a lot of wonderful dogs in shelters waiting for good homes. I think all dogs should have a good loving and responsible home no matter what their breed or mix. However,I don't think the answer to emptying the shelters is restricting responsible breeders.
 
Unfortunately our experience with a shelter dog was a disaster. All our previous dogs had come from good breeders as they were all purchased as show prospects. A year and a half ago we decided to get a golden retriever (mix?) puppy from the county shelter. I was already in "talks" with a couple of golden show breeders, but DH wanted to save a life. She was lovely with people, but grew up to be a disaster with other dogs. It is NOT all in how you raise them! Genetics plays a very important role in a dog's temperament, just as it does in their health and conformation. She turned out to be dog aggressive despite socializing her extensively in obedience and agility classes from the time we got her. We thought she was OK though with our other dogs, it was just outside dogs she had a problem with - male or female, didn't matter. Until one day earlier this summer when she decided that her former best buddy needed to die. She very nearly succeeded in killing her. Took a week in the hospital, four surgeries, two months of weekly vet checks and a good chunk of our daughter's college fund to put her back together. The golden was rehomed to a one dog home. It broke our hearts to let her go, but when an experienced, highly recommended trainer, two veterinarians and numerous people experienced with the breed advise it as the only safe option, what else could we do? Golden retrievers should not be dog aggressive. It is even specifically noted in the breed standard. We knew, of course, when we got her that she did not come from a conscientious breeder, but we didn't expect such a drastic issue when we did everything "right" in raising her.

I do realize that there are many wonderful dogs in shelters needing homes and many of them work out great for the people who get them, but OUR next dog will again come from a good quality breeder whom we know breeds for the right reasons and the right characteristics in their dogs. With the right genetic background THEN it will be up to us to raise the puppy right. I want the odds on my side next time, so we hopefully won't have to go through the misery we went through this summer ever again. I just think we should all have the freedom to choose the pet that is right for our individual situations and I don't think anyone should be made to feel guilty if they choose to purchase an animal from a good breeder.
I'm so sorry that you had to go through this. I completely agree. Lots of it is genetic. I mean look at how we go through choosing our roosters for temperament. At least I do. I would never breed an aggressive rooster, so I think the same should be said for dogs.

I have a male dog that is other dog aggressive as well. His was all situational. Dog park gone bad. Now he attacks any new dog that enters his personal bubble. Best dog I have ever had. My dogs are totally opposite. One is nervous of people, and one is nervous of dogs. The one nervous of people LOVES other dogs, and the one nervous of dogs LOVES people. They get along really well.

We thought about rescuing a dog recently from the SPCA, but I was terrified of having issues with the dog and our chickens. Wasn't worth the risk to me. We ended up getting a LGD from WORKING parents who had amazing temperaments. She was the result of purposeful cross breeding (Maremma father, Great Pyr mother) - and they have been breeding farm dogs for generations.

Also - I've read up on key things to look for in a good breeder. Any breeder selling a dog before 8-10 weeks of age is putting money before the puppies needs. I like to be interviewed as well. It shows me that the people who cared for my animal before me cared enough about their well being. I have nothing to hide. I also like to hear that if there are any issues, the dog is to be returned to the breeder, and not the SPCA. I also like contracts.
 
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My dog who protects my birds was a stray I found under an abandoned house in the city. The city darted her twice but she'd run under the house so far they couldn't get to her. Her puppies would go to her. I asked the Animal Control officer what would become of her. He said she would be put down immediately because she was vicious (the postal worker was no longer delivering on the block due to fear of the dog). People had called in to report the dog. I had made friends with the dog because I would take food and water & put it in the back yard of the abandoned house -- she was starving because she was feeding 8 puppies. Everyone in the neighborhood was scared of her. During my daily morning trips, I realized she was a very smart dog & I told the Animal Control Officer I would take the dog and her puppies (he had come to actually shoot her). I found homes for the puppies, kept her & had her spayed. She is a great dog to me. She is great around the birds. She is not a purebred dog. I don't lose anything to predators (she guards both home and farm - word has also gotten around that I have a dog that will definitely bite which is fine with me -- she plays with my young nieces and nephews and they all love her). She was a FREE dog (and dubbed too vicious for the shelter).

Two other dogs I have, one from the shelter & another stray are hound mixes. Both are good around my birds too. It was easy to train them that chasing chickens was a no-no. They are good at barking & pursuing predators, but they won't actually attack a predator like my mutt/stray mother dog.

I think it is all about knowing dogs & knowing the dog you have. Unfortunately, most people do not know about dogs or even about their own dogs. Most people should not be allowed to breed dogs because the shelters here are bulging over (and that is not buying into anyone's argument but my own observations plus people unable to control their own dogs). The shelters here are full of good dogs -- lots of them, any kind you want (I know because I have fostered some that were freed by organizations -- I have not lost a bird to a one.). I haven't seen a dog that can't be worked with but you do have to take the time with them. If you cannot devote the time to the dog, then yes, their behavior is not as predictable as you will want.

Instead of reading about PETA and such, I recommend a good book I read many years ago by Barbara Woodhouse written in 1984, "No Bad Dogs," http://books.google.com/books/about/No_Bad_Dogs.html?id=BazRVVQhFF4C -- especially those of you who believe the shelters are no place to get a good dog. I see just as many purebred dogs with behavior problems as mutts -- because it is the owner, not the dog.
 

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