Chemical castration of randy drake...

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So Captain Nemo went in for a Suprelorin implant today... he was abusing me terribly and I couldn't take it anymore! All drakes are sexually aggressive when young, but Nemo is coming up on two years and was getting worse, not better. Given that we don't have any females (nor room for more ducks) I was the primary target of his affections and was always covered in bruises. Figured this was a better option then rehoming or culling, though I did threaten him with that many, many times! Very interested to see how it will affect his behavior.

Has anyone else had this done for their drakes?
 
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So Captain Nemo went in for a Suprelorin implant today... he was abusing me terribly and I couldn't take it anymore! All drakes are sexually aggressive when young, but Nemo is coming up on two years and was getting worse, not better. Given that we don't have any females (nor room for more ducks) I was the primary target of his affections and was always covered in bruises. Figured this was a better option then rehoming or culling, though I did threaten him with that many, many times! Very interested to see how it will affect his behavior.

Has anyone else had this done for their drakes?
Will you explain exactly what Suprelorin is CQ? thanks.
 
hi would be interesting to see how you go , I tried it with my drake and it turned him into a lamb for a month but then he was back to normal. I found that the only way to go was to increase his females. I am a vet nurse so am familiar with the implant for dogs and ferrets and have heard of good results in roosters but it didnt last long with my drake
 
CaptainQwak, did it work? I'm very curious.
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Just realized that I never updated this thread... sorry for the radio silence.

It was an interesting experience. A few days after the implant we noticed a definite change in his behavior, he became much more docile and started nesting in the lavender by the pool. It was totally hilarious. His father, our older drake, did not know what to make of it and was visibly flummoxed... he would look at Nemo funny and stand nearby while he nested. Was totally acting like a hen. This went on for a few weeks, then it wore off and he went right back to his bad self. A few times I saw the older drake biting at the area where the implant was inserted (on Nemo's back, between the wings) and wondered if he knew something was wrong and/or was trying to get it out. Maybe he did. I really wished it had worked because the young drake has been injured a few times since owing to his annoying behavior (see earlier thread). I've had a female duck brought over for a "date" before, but he totally ignored her. Maybe I should try again. I know he probably just needs to get laid. The vet thinks he is imprinted on me and that nothing will help. I'm skeptical of this theory as I am much more affectionate with the older drake -- cuddling and kissing him constantly -- and he doesn't try to rape my feet. Then again, he had a mate for a few glorious months. Anyway. Not sure what to do now. Can't rehome him as I don't want to risk him reproducing... stupidity like this needs to stay out of the gene pool. I keep waiting for him to chill out with age, but he might not last much longer! Poor thing.

Here is a link for Suprelorin:

http://www.virbac.co.uk/product.aspx?pid=195&product=68&#page=page-BRAND

It is usually prescribed for dogs, but (as others have mentioned) it has successfully treated aggressive roosters. I figured it was worth a shot.
 
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This is pretty cool..... do you know the dosage?? Sounds like it might have been a bit high. I have a friend dealing with a drake in her home right now (a serious club foot she rescued off the street mallard x muscovy)

any info you have would be greatly appreciated!

Madena
 
The problem with chemical (or otherwise) castration at an age beyond sexual maturity is that all it does is reduce or eliminate the ability to produce viable sperm (or any sperm at all). The sexual urge/drive is still there and, for some mammals, the ability to achieve an erection and ultimately penetration is still there because that is a reaction to blood flow. While chemical castration may be effective to varying degrees in mammals I would question its long term success in other species such as birds simply because the physiology is not the same. Anyway, drakes, ganders, roosters, males of all breeds and species, will attempt to mate with whatever they can when the urge strikes.
 
The problem with chemical (or otherwise) castration at an age beyond sexual maturity is that all it does is reduce or eliminate the ability to produce viable sperm (or any sperm at all). The sexual urge/drive is still there and, for some mammals, the ability to achieve an erection and ultimately penetration is still there because that is a reaction to blood flow. While chemical castration may be effective to varying degrees in mammals I would question its long term success in other species such as birds simply because the physiology is not the same. Anyway, drakes, ganders, roosters, males of all breeds and species, will attempt to mate with whatever they can when the urge strikes.
Good info!

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Vasectomy is simply cutting the ductus deferens which is a long tube leading from the testicle (deep within the abdomen or ‘coelom’) to the cloaca. This is the conduit for sperm to travel from the testes to the outside world. The ductus deferens is cut and a section removed preventing future inseminations. This can be done via endoscopy (mildly invasive), open coelomic surgery (most invasive) or in small songbirds (like finches) at the protrusion of the cloaca (minimally invasive). In order for vasectomy to be effective, both vas deferens must be completely transected. Depending on the species, some birds can still effectively inseminate females for up to 6 months after vasectomy. This occurs because sperm may still remain in the vas deferens segment that was not removed.
Vasectomy does not affect a bird’s behavior or plumage, just the ability to inseminate (after the tube has been completely emptied). So, this procedure is used mainly as a means of population control. Potential side effects are mostly related to surgery such as anesthetic complications (including death), cutting the wrong structure (such as the ureter and major blood vessels which lie close to the ductus deferens) and incompletely severing the ductus deferens (which may heal and still be functional).
Castration is a whole different subject. As a general statement, I do not recommend castration for anything other than testicular disease (mostly cancer). In other words, I do not recommend castration as a means of behavior modification.
A bird’s testicles are located deep within the coelom making access difficult and requiring either invasive open body or multiport endoscopic surgery. The technical difficulty of castration in large part depends on the size of the testes (which varies dramatically with breeding season and any disease present). Additionally, seemingly any remnant testicular tissue can regrow. So if a spec of testicle is left (which because of its intimate attachment to surrounding tissues is possible), it can regrow into an active, healthy and very determined organ! Caponization is castration done at a very young age before the testicle has fully developed and enlarged.
While I have castrated many birds, some regrettably for behavioral reasons, I now only consider the procedure for medical problems. My experience has been that castration for behavioral modification does not work. This includes attempting to curb aggression in parrots, ducks and poultry and crowing in poultry (chickens and peacocks). The birds temporarily stop their behaviors (probably because the surgery is invasive and they feel rotten) but have all resumed at some point later (some were even checked to make sure there was no remnant regrown testicular tissue). There are actually quite a few studies in various bird species that show the same results- once the behavior is established, castration tends to not make it stop. Some of the studies have even shown increased aggression with castrated birds. Castration would probably be most effective in preventing some behaviors (and normal adult male plumage) when done on young birds. However, I cannot justify the procedure at this time.
Part of the problem is that we are asking a bird to not perform a normal behavior such as crowing in roosters and aggressively protecting a mate (which may be a human). So I focus on understanding the behavior and look for other means of modification.
Dr Scott Echols

-Kathy
 

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