Chick Pics for New 2 and Our Chart

[AugeredIn]

..........I am starting to see a few other chicks from the same pens looking more SP than this one and I am a bit unsure how to categorize them. I understand the percentage rules, but not the nuance difference between Loud Pied and Silver Pied. Putting BS SP aside, is the Silver Back the key ingredient to SP or does that exist on a Loud Pied too?

There is no "technical" definition but I use loud pied to indicate a bird with only one Silver Pied gene. Where ever that is! I don't know if I could completely and authoritatively answer your question on the silver back. I just have not produced enough loud pieds and grown them out.

 

[zazouse]

Three peas to update, first the IBBSSP



IBSP


And this one I am not sure of now. I think it may be Cameo BS Pied. Hen? Anyone?
Father is IB Pied WE split Cameo, BS, SP, mother is either Cameo SP, Cameo Pied WE, or IB Pied splits unknown.

Beautiful babies

 

[Birdrain92]

Was able to get some pics like these finally.

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

You are totally correct in what he meant, he responded that as you stated, IB is assumed and the color is used when different than IB.

So he has affirmed your assessment that the one chick is IBBS Pied, even with the blackening black face and says it is a hen.

He also affirms that the IBBSSP still is, but changed his mind that it is now a hen.  He said if the 'mantel' darkens in the next few weeks it could still be a male.  Is the 'mantel' the area between the shoulders?

I am starting to see a few other chicks from the same pens looking more SP than this one and I am a bit unsure how to categorize them.  I understand the percentage rules, but not the nuance difference between Loud Pied and Silver Pied.  Putting BS SP aside, is the Silver Back the key ingredient to SP or does that exist on a Loud Pied too?

Maybe he meant if he/she got more black on the neck? This is my first sign to tell the genders in bs chicks.

 

[KsKingBee]

Maybe he meant if he/she got more black on the neck? This is my first sign to tell the genders in bs chicks.

I have done some more reading on his site and the mantel is that area between the shoulders at the base of the neck. Here is a different IBSP I have that shows the darkening on the mantel.



And a different bird showing a dark mantel.

 

[DylansMom]

I have done some more reading on his site and the mantel is that area between the shoulders at the base of the neck. Here is a different IBSP I have that shows the darkening on the mantel. If you are referring to the bird on the far left it appears to me to be a IBSP hen.



And a different bird showing a dark mantel. This one has me a bit stumped. I can tell it is a BS from the wings, but beyond that I'd be guessing.

Is there any chance it could be a Purple BS Pied?

 

[KsKingBee]

To tell you the truth, I can only keep track of a couple of the more special birds. They change so quickly and I have so many that once I posted the wrong bird in a discussion, so I am trying to be very careful and only track a very few of the special looking ones. If I were to go out and try to find that particular bird I may not be able to id it.

One thing I am pretty sure of is that I have no white genes in the Purple pen, I would love to have a PBS Pied. I had a lady here last week who was wanting a Purple cock, I knew I had some as I already sold two, but we looked and looked and could not find one for her. Now I look at that last pic in the last post and see one!

As far as the sex of the two birds above, I was thinking IBBS cock in the first pic and IBBS Pied WE hen in the second, it came from a pen of all WE birds. The black band on the leg is for Rocky, the IBBSWE/SP over IBWE hens.

 

[DylansMom]

To tell you the truth, I can only keep track of a couple of the more special birds. They change so quickly and I have so many that once I posted the wrong bird in a discussion, so I am trying to be very careful and only track a very few of the special looking ones. If I were to go out and try to find that particular bird I may not be able to id it.

One thing I am pretty sure of is that I have no white genes in the Purple pen, I would love to have a PBS Pied. I had a lady here last week who was wanting a Purple cock, I knew I had some as I already sold two, but we looked and looked and could not find one for her. Now I look at that last pic in the last post and see one!

As far as the sex of the two birds above, I was thinking IBBS cock in the first pic and IBBS Pied WE hen in the second, it came from a pen of all WE birds. The black band on the leg is for Rocky, the IBBSWE/SP over IBWE hens.

To tell you the truth, I can only keep track of a couple of the more special birds. They change so quickly and I have so many that once I posted the wrong bird in a discussion, so I am trying to be very careful and only track a very few of the special looking ones. If I were to go out and try to find that particular bird I may not be able to id it.

One thing I am pretty sure of is that I have no white genes in the Purple pen, I would love to have a PBS Pied. I had a lady here last week who was wanting a Purple cock, I knew I had some as I already sold two, but we looked and looked and could not find one for her. Now I look at that last pic in the last post and see one!

As far as the sex of the two birds above, I was thinking IBBS cock in the first pic and IBBS Pied WE hen in the second, it came from a pen of all WE birds. The black band on the leg is for Rocky, the IBBSWE/SP over IBWE hens.

I'd bet a fair amount on # 1 being a hen. SP males will still have some faint, but noticeable striping on their mantel and wing feathers. Hens will not, and I don't see any on your bird. here are 2 SP birds I raised 2 years ago, male is on the rt. hen on the lft. can you see the stripes?



Here is the male



The hen, no striping on the mantel or wings

 

[KsKingBee]

Auh, check the 'right/left' above, I got confused...

 

[DylansMom]

Auh, check the 'right/left' above, I got confused...

It is correct, if you can download the pic you can enlarge it further and then you'll see the stripes on the male who is on the rt. I'm sorry, I don't have any pics that show both of them closer. The mantel in photo # 2 really shows the stripes. I have a SP male right now that hatched in May, I'm gonna go out and see if I can get some close-ups of his back.