Chicken Breed Focus Rhode Island Red

[Nadene]

Not to flip sides a ton or jump in again because I do still see both sides but i actually just realized something when you said they hardly have any original characteristics: it's probably a lot like dog breeds or duck breeds. Supposedly most ducks come from Mallards, right? And dogs supposedly came from wolves (although I think I read once that it's a totally different wolf than people think and not actually the grey wolf but still. A wolf). Yet I think a Pekin is way different than a Mallard and a Chihuahua sure is a lot different than a wolf lmao just something else to think about. Although I think I would want both eventually but of.course I ordered different breeds but one day I will.

Lol. I can trace my chickens' lineage! They all come from the original stock God created in the beginning ;P that first pair of chickens. We don't know what characteristics they had, but we know they were chickens lol

 

[daskhan]

Lol. I can trace my chickens' lineage! They all come from the original stock God created in the beginning ;P that first pair of chickens. We don't know what characteristics they had, but we know they were chickens lol

...,,.... Huh.... Really chickens them selves should be an arguement for evolution thank god I believe in a religion that includes evolution lol

 

[Nadene]

...,,.... Huh.... Really chickens them selves should be an arguement for evolution thank god I believe in a religion that includes evolution lol

Lol. I'm glad with my religion I know the beginning and the end of all things. But I'm going to leave it there since this is a backyard chickens discussion and not a religious debate.

 

[sandesnow]

If you look at how a Production Red (Red sex link, Red Stars.. etc...) becomes, you will find that it really is only in it's purest form... 1/2 Rhode Island red. (And that is to say that the breeder even used a RIR, as they don't have to! It can be many gold gened roosters!)

But, there is much confusion about RIR's. When you start breeding out qualities that a RIR has, such as being dual purpose, to just one purpose, being egg laying, you have to go outside what the SOP states a RIR is and should be. (And outside those original lines) In short, when doing so, it isn't a RIR any-longer.

A True RIR bread with a true RIR will not be a production bird. It will be a True RIR that is a dual purpose egg-layer and meat bird.

Essentially, a Production Red is a cross breed. That is why you can not trace the lines, as you will most times not even know what is being used to produce a production layer. I mean you could, but you would only be tracing the one side.. and that is if it is even a RIR that is being usd, as there are quite a few combinations that will yield production reds. (Breeding wise)

 

[ShrekDawg]

I would have to disagree not all dogs come from wolves not sure about the ducks but well as far as I know wolves were at one time bears but they came down from the trees and some becames wolves well eventually those wolves spread all over and became different breeds and other things like dingos and jackals and other things well some dogs came from a wolf closer to the original but other dogs came from the others although this is a newer theory I do see the merit

Wait really? That's so interesting! I actually have heard the dingo thing but forgot about it. Dont Australian Cattle Dogs or Kelpies or something have dingo in them? I always like learning new information and don't really know too much about it, was just making a general point, so I don't think it's disagreeing, I find it really interesting. I love seeing all the new science based theories and things about dog (and general animal) training too but since this is a chicken site and chicken breed post I won't go into it.lol but science is cool.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Lol. I can trace my chickens' lineage! They all come from the original stock God created in the beginning ;P that first pair of chickens. We don't know what characteristics they had, but we know they were chickens lol

Lol that's a good one. and really my dog isn't a mix because he's just pure dog hehe

 

[ShrekDawg]

If you look at how a Production Red (Red sex link, Red Stars.. etc...) becomes, you will find that it really is only in it's purest form... 1/2 Rhode Island red. (And that is to say that the breeder even used a RIR, as they don't have to!  It can be many gold gened roosters!)

But, there is much confusion about RIR's. When you start breeding out qualities that a RIR has, such as being dual purpose, to just one purpose, being egg laying, you have to go outside what the SOP states a RIR is and should be. (And outside those original lines) In short, when doing so, it isn't a RIR any-longer.

A True RIR bread with a true RIR will not be a production bird. It will be a True RIR that is a dual purpose egg-layer and meat bird.

Essentially, a Production Red is a cross breed. That is why you can not trace the lines, as you will most times not even know what is being used to produce a production layer. I mean you could, but you would only be tracing the one side.. and that is if it is even a RIR that is being usd, as there are quite a few combinations that will yield production reds. (Breeding wise)

That makes a lot of sense. i didn't realize PRs were the same as red sex links. I just thought they were a take off the RIRs. what is it ehen some hatcheries offer both ?

 

[cmom]

Not to flip sides a ton or jump in again because I do still see both sides but i actually just realized something when you said they hardly have any original characteristics: it's probably a lot like dog breeds or duck breeds. Supposedly most ducks come from Mallards, right? And dogs supposedly came from wolves (although I think I read once that it's a totally different wolf than people think and not actually the grey wolf but still. A wolf). Yet I think a Pekin is way different than a Mallard and a Chihuahua sure is a lot different than a wolf lmao just something else to think about. Although I think I would want both eventually but of.course I ordered different breeds but one day I will.

I guess everything had a beginning, but just where, who knows. You are correct it does give us something else to ponder.

 

[sandesnow]

heh.. Hatcheries are trixy, that is why a good well know RIR breeder is a must. A breeder vs a hatchery = basically a breeder is looking out for the heritage line, and trying to preserve the pure breed hence the SOP. Hatcheries, much like any other businesses, want to make money. It isn't there for preservation of anything. Most people want layers, especially when people are just getting into chickens. And in my opinion, that is alright with me. I am cool about where a person gets their birds from. I have 4 Sex links that are egg producing machines, the sad part is they burn out easily. And die by 2-4 years of age. I have plans to put my red over my Barred Plymouth Rocks at some point to get some black sex links in a year or so.. But will also be increasing my RIR stock a well as I find them to be just beautiful birds.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Every time I bring up chickens my dad kept saying he wants RIRs but I had heard they could be mean so I didn't. But maybe I will have to add some breeder ones eventually.