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Samblast
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I don’t think she was ever able to clear her throat. I think dry drowning was probably her ultimate cause of death. She came out this morning and then started flipping around(like she was choking from something stuck in her throat). I picked her up and she stopped, and died a few moments later in my arms.Oh im sorry to hear this. So, what exactly happened? She continued to choke on it? Did she aspirate her phlegm and drown? Infect or what? I don't want to push too hard and if you do not feel like talking about it, I totally understand, just trying to get some info so we can warn other people.
Unfortunately things like this which we would NEVER consider to be dangerous, can be, even in a fluke accident. I had my little guy get a trip to the Bird ER, because he chewed cardboard, which he's done his whole life, cockatoo's chew that's their purpose in nature it seems, and one day his skwauck was off, turned out he aspirated a piece of the cardboard somehow and it got stuck in his larynx. I figured his voice was hoarse from screaming and was almost like, good you little A hole, teach you right for screaming, then I took a better look and seen he was not comfortable so figured I best take him in. The vet removed a small moist piece and said there was a good chance he may have eventually hacked it up, or if he didn't the irritation makes them salivate? and they can collect water in their lungs and die, and just the stress of having that in there can harm them too. It could irritate, get infected.
It really worried me, but after a bit I thought, there's not a heck of a lot I can do. In your case, Your chicken could have found a scrap of god only knows what in the yard, a piece of palm / leaf frond, chewed and choked on that too. I guess my point is, this just happens sometimes.. Since it was a saddle, one thing I might like to say is, if we have things like this on our pets, they DO like to chew and muzzle and pick on stuff, especially if it's a bit uncomfortable. Did the thing have any frayed ends / sides where she could have chewed at and ripped threads out and ate them? We might want to check our 'Bird Toys and Attachments' and if they are fraying / wearing out, replace them.
With the bird choking, is there anything a normal person can do, like grab the bird force it's beak open and look down it's throat and tweezer stuff out if need be? Or is this more something that'd you'd need a vet because it's way down in the lungs and we'd cause more harm than good poking around?
I was getting ready to post this and then decided to re read the thread to make sure I didn't say something totally stupid, or miss something. Then this thought came to mind.
Have you ever heard of dry drowning? She has something caught in her throat, it's irritating, just like when you start choking, the eyes water, the saliva goes into high gear etc etc. Or in the case of humans, you go under water, actually breathe in / aspirate half a cup full or even less, but make it back to air and think, oh crap that was close. BUT, in both cases, there are fluids in your lungs you are not aware of. In the chickens case, phlem from the choking experience, got aspirated. So now this fluid is down there, interfering with oxygen uptake IN the lungs due to fluid accumulation in the bursa. It's slow, but since your lungs are no longer taking in oxygen like they are supposed to (because you ARE DROWNING ON THAT FLUID IN THEM) just slowly., you eventually go into a coma and die. Or in the case of a bird which is a lot less resilient than a person, it just gets sleepy as the blood oxygen slowly drops and it dies. It sounds crazy I know but it IS a thing, and I wonder if this may have happened, considering you said she was still breathing ok?
Just thinking out loud, ... again, Im sorry for your bird.
Aaron